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Some quality class A victim blaming right there. How dare she engage the troll in a manner that is not how the internet recommends. Clearly she deserves everyt

Some quality class A victim blaming right there. How dare she engage the troll in a manner that is not how the internet recommends. Clearly she deserves everything that happened to her. I mean yes, the way to deal with trolls is to ignore them completely and absolutely, but the punishment for not doing that shouldn't be being banned from kickstarter.

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jasonlotito 15y ago
While I don't condone the attitude in the OP, providing background on the "victim" in this case is appropriate. She has offered nothing to substantiate her claims. As of yet, we know nothing, and calling her a "victim" is ignoring facts.
- Dylan16807 15y ago
  Either she is a victim or she made up the entire story along with emails. It's a waste of time to discus the latter; if it's made up kickstarter will say so. But I doubt her making up a story so easily disproved. Your other posts about italic text honestly come across to me as a strawman.
  - jasonlotito 15y ago
    > Either she is a victim or she made up the entire story along with emails. There are other possibilities as well. It's not so black and white. > Your other posts about italic text honestly come across to me as a strawman. Oh, evidence was presented? You know, using the word strawman doesn't mean it is, nor does it change what has, or has not, been presented. You can dismiss my arguments and believe what you want, however. At least I'm not out to take advantage of your gullibility.
    - Dylan16807 15y ago
      I'm sorry for making it sound like I think the situation is black and white. What I meant was was that the text of the email is a pretty clear bad policy. Anyway, on to the main point. You're using an example of how easy it is to throw out words and ignoring the fact that if this blog post is a lie it has serious ramifications on her integrity. So I feel justified calling it a strawman. This isn't quoting a 4chan thread as a resource, this is somebody making a plea to the world under their real name. There is reason to believe the quotes are accurate, even though I'm sure there's bias in the telling. And I'm not judging kickstarter until I hear what their response is. Even if all they say is 'that email is fake' then I won't think badly of them. I'm not being taken advantage of, because I'm not trusting a lone rant.
      - jasonlotito 15y ago
        > ignoring the fact that if this blog post is a lie it has serious ramifications on her integrity. Judging by some of the other posts about this "victim", I'm not sure her integrity is a concern. Supposedly she's done KickStarter before, and essentially just taken the money and not produced (Please, check these threads for the specific comments regarding it). At the same time, keep in mind that when I first came to this thread, there were a LOT of comments condemning KickStarter, making an assumption. My goal throughout this has been to try and remind people to be objective. If your objective, that's great! I have no issue with you, or anyone else with an objective. I've been responding to numerous people throughout all this as well, so there is a good chance I might end up talking to more than one person in a single thread, and not realize it.
        auntjanetreno 15y ago
        Ms. Jaeger: It has come to my attention that Rachel Mendelson aka "Rachel Marone" aka "Rachel Haywire" aka "Transhuman X" may be allowed to use kickstarter again only 2 years after she took $3,000 with a fraudulent kickstarter effort. People are angrily posting on this page even as of a few months ago, and she has no plans to print the CD or to make any of the charitable contribution percentage she promised from this project. Please do not allow her to make any more kickstarter efforts, and defraud more people. Here is the page and the comments from people who never got their CD from her. By kickstarter's own rules, she should be required to return the donations at this point, not start a new fraudulent kickstarter campaign. She is very likely to start a new kickstarter account called 'Rachel Marone', be aware she is abusing kickstarter for financially fraudulent purposes. Here is the link to the project that never did anything but take money: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/machinekuntrecords/sanity-is-slavery http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/machinekuntrecords/sanit... where you can see comments of complaint from its backers: "If you’re a backer of this project, please log in to read this post. 3 of 4 View Previous Comments Fb_profile_picture.thumb Erik Roy Tomren on September 26, 2011 so when is this coming out? the hard copy version, not the download. 1.thumb Cat on February 24 It's a year after this posting, almost two years after this was funded, and I have yet to receive my hard copy of this album. Very displeased. :/ Fb_profile_picture.thumb Steve Cross on March 15 Is the hard copy ever going to appear. A further update would be nice. I am not very happy!!

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jasonlotito 15y ago

While I don't condone the attitude in the OP, providing background on the "victim" in this case is appropriate. She has offered nothing to substantiate her claims. As of yet, we know nothing, and calling her a "victim" is ignoring facts.

Dylan16807 15y ago
Either she is a victim or she made up the entire story along with emails. It's a waste of time to discus the latter; if it's made up kickstarter will say so. But I doubt her making up a story so easily disproved. Your other posts about italic text honestly come across to me as a strawman.
- jasonlotito 15y ago
  > Either she is a victim or she made up the entire story along with emails. There are other possibilities as well. It's not so black and white. > Your other posts about italic text honestly come across to me as a strawman. Oh, evidence was presented? You know, using the word strawman doesn't mean it is, nor does it change what has, or has not, been presented. You can dismiss my arguments and believe what you want, however. At least I'm not out to take advantage of your gullibility.
  - Dylan16807 15y ago
    I'm sorry for making it sound like I think the situation is black and white. What I meant was was that the text of the email is a pretty clear bad policy. Anyway, on to the main point. You're using an example of how easy it is to throw out words and ignoring the fact that if this blog post is a lie it has serious ramifications on her integrity. So I feel justified calling it a strawman. This isn't quoting a 4chan thread as a resource, this is somebody making a plea to the world under their real name. There is reason to believe the quotes are accurate, even though I'm sure there's bias in the telling. And I'm not judging kickstarter until I hear what their response is. Even if all they say is 'that email is fake' then I won't think badly of them. I'm not being taken advantage of, because I'm not trusting a lone rant.
    - jasonlotito 15y ago
      > ignoring the fact that if this blog post is a lie it has serious ramifications on her integrity. Judging by some of the other posts about this "victim", I'm not sure her integrity is a concern. Supposedly she's done KickStarter before, and essentially just taken the money and not produced (Please, check these threads for the specific comments regarding it). At the same time, keep in mind that when I first came to this thread, there were a LOT of comments condemning KickStarter, making an assumption. My goal throughout this has been to try and remind people to be objective. If your objective, that's great! I have no issue with you, or anyone else with an objective. I've been responding to numerous people throughout all this as well, so there is a good chance I might end up talking to more than one person in a single thread, and not realize it.
      - auntjanetreno 15y ago
        Ms. Jaeger: It has come to my attention that Rachel Mendelson aka "Rachel Marone" aka "Rachel Haywire" aka "Transhuman X" may be allowed to use kickstarter again only 2 years after she took $3,000 with a fraudulent kickstarter effort. People are angrily posting on this page even as of a few months ago, and she has no plans to print the CD or to make any of the charitable contribution percentage she promised from this project. Please do not allow her to make any more kickstarter efforts, and defraud more people. Here is the page and the comments from people who never got their CD from her. By kickstarter's own rules, she should be required to return the donations at this point, not start a new fraudulent kickstarter campaign. She is very likely to start a new kickstarter account called 'Rachel Marone', be aware she is abusing kickstarter for financially fraudulent purposes. Here is the link to the project that never did anything but take money: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/machinekuntrecords/sanity-is-slavery http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/machinekuntrecords/sanit... where you can see comments of complaint from its backers: "If you’re a backer of this project, please log in to read this post. 3 of 4 View Previous Comments Fb_profile_picture.thumb Erik Roy Tomren on September 26, 2011 so when is this coming out? the hard copy version, not the download. 1.thumb Cat on February 24 It's a year after this posting, almost two years after this was funded, and I have yet to receive my hard copy of this album. Very displeased. :/ Fb_profile_picture.thumb Steve Cross on March 15 Is the hard copy ever going to appear. A further update would be nice. I am not very happy!!