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Vaporware, just like much of what Musk talks about.
by martin8412 3y ago
Vaporware, just like much of what Musk talks about.
- s1gnp0st 3y agoReusable rockets, electric cars, solar panels... What would you say grants you the standing to opine here?
- mmcwilliams 3y agoI'm fairly certain all of those existed prior to Musk's suggestion of them.
- aik 3y agoHe delivered on them though right? Also reusable rockets didn’t exist?
- astrodust 3y agoJohn Carmack on a shoestring budget nearly got this working at Armadillo. If he had more money and time he would've had it working a half decade before SpaceX.
- aik 3y agoGot it, so no then right. I love Carmack, but having an idea for something is infinitely easier than actually successfully executing on it, especially as incredibly successfully as SpaceX.
- astrodust 3y agoRocketry involves building a lot of prototypes and blowing up a lot of things when mistakes happen. Carmack did execute, they had a working rocket, and with time they could've solved the software issues, but they didn't have the funding to blow up dozens of prototypes. Carmack drove that project, he wrote code, he built rocket engines himself, he ran missions. Elon, notably, doesn't do any of that. He just had more money, or was willing to commit more money, to seeing it through. For Carmack it was more of a fun diversion (the X Prize) than a business he wanted to build.
- aik 3y agoIn general I think what is so often missed on HN, which is so ironic given this is in big part a board for founders or those who aspire to be (I thought), is the challenge and effort and success of building companies and teams that execute on larger than life projects. It is incredibly hard to recruit the best talent in the world, and assemble them and make it work. The leader must be incredibly competent and believable to do that.
- s1gnp0st 3y agoYou left out a tier, and that's the embittered one with an axe to grind. It's the "nothing ever happens" crowd, and they want to destroy anyone who stands as a counterexample.
- ben_w 3y ago"Nearly" and "if he had more money and time" is "no". And given how much faster SpaceX has been than anyone else, I can only believe this "could've, would've" in form of the slightly longer hypothetical "if only Carmack hired all the rocket scientists (and raised all the money to give them freedom to go fast) before Musk got there".
- parineum 3y agoThe Nazis nearly invented the atomic bomb.
- mmcwilliams 3y agoThe McDonnell Douglas DC-X?
- aik 3y agoNever worked. Project canceled.
- awestroke 3y agoYou’re also wrong
- mmcwilliams 3y agoWhich one of those didn't?
- MarCylinder 3y agoReusable rockets. Tesla popularized EVs
- networkchad 3y ago[dead]
- nickthegreek 3y agoAll of his other false or misleading statements over the last 10 years.
- s1gnp0st 3y agoWhen we've dealt with the oil companies, the chemical manufacturers dumping PFAS into our kids, and the industrial war machine, maybe then we can start complaining about the guy biting off more than he can chew trying to be constructive. Until then, all of you sound vicious, bitter, and hypocritical.
- nickthegreek 3y agoWe are perfectly capable of having issues with all of those as well. I can still ask for a speedbump on my street while also voicing concern with military postering… Crazy I know! Musk passed ‘guy biting off more than he chew’ when he started accusing heroes of being pedophiles.
- martin8412 3y agohttps://elonmusk.today/ https://elonmusk.today/
- Geee 3y agoMost of those things have happened actually, but the website makes it seems that they didn't. It just lists everything Elon has said, but doesn't track if they happened or not. This is a completely pointless website.
- MarCylinder 3y agoActually they're in the middle of production at TSMC. They have 10,000 units on order, to be delivered "in the coming year".
- aik 3y agoWhat that he has talked about been vaporware?
- tibbydudeza 3y agoThat Telsa owners can use their cars to make money while they are working as robo taxis -let's just say he vastly underestimates effort it takes to make progress - FSD is not there yet.
- aik 3y agoVaporware assumes it will never happen. Is that the case you think or is it that he was vastly over optimistic? Very likely the latter.
- tibbydudeza 3y agoThey will get there at some acceptable point but not with the tech in current Tesla's - the current compute module will need to be replaced - think they showed off HW 4 in lieu of HW 3. Sucks to be if you paid the early bird fee for it.
- aik 3y agoAgreed, feel bad for anyone that did that. Hopefully lessons learned on not making huge purchases based on some revolutionary future tech that isn’t fully baked yet / all problems solved for. Definitely an area I would never want to be an early adopter in.
- voakbasda 3y agoFSD is currently in the quantum valley of product development: it is both vaporware and a shipping product.
- solarkraft 3y agoThe shipping product is FSD by name only. Actual automomy anywhere near the levels that has been promised to arrive "by the end of this year" for years will surely arrive by the end of this year.