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I'm wondering what is the possibility that the cyberstalker is a creation of the "TRANSMEDIA ARTIST, BRAND DEVELOPER, AND FUTURIST"? It certainly fits into tho

I'm wondering what is the possibility that the cyberstalker is a creation of the "TRANSMEDIA ARTIST, BRAND DEVELOPER, AND FUTURIST"? It certainly fits into those categories. Just speculation.

jasonlotito 15y ago
Good point. I'm still waiting for proof. In many ways, it's sad and wrong that people are calling for KickStarter to do anything before any shred of proof is provided.
- Lazare 15y ago
  I think it's perfectly justified to call on Kickstarter to do something: namely, to reply to the allegations. If Kickstarter says "hey, this is all wrong", and Ms Marone maintains that the incident did happen, then we can start weighing proof and credibility. Alternatively, if Kickstarter says "oops, our fault, and we're changing our processes", then no proof needs to be supplied. But first, we need to know Kickstarter's side.
  - jasonlotito 15y ago
    That doesn't negate what I said, nor does it change the emotional response in comments above. People are assuming KickStarters guilt already without anything more than a blog post. Furthermore, I don't believe a company, or anyone, should be held to respond to every claim thrown at them. To prove a negative. Do not assume that I support KickStarter if the allegations are true. I just don't think it's reasonable to assume guilt and start demanding things. Let's just say that as of right now, I could say at the OP is merely doing this as a publicity stunt, and she should respond to these allegations, and this would be the exact same thing that is happening here.
    - illumen 15y ago
      The Kickstarter corporation is big enough and bad enough to stand up for itself without anyone having to attack the victim.
      - jasonlotito 15y ago
        Who is attacking the victim? I'm asking for proof, not suggesting anything else. And I'm not defending KickStarter. I'm defending HN from those who would ignore reason and intelligence in place of emotion and ignorance.
        chris_wot 15y ago
        I'm not certain that Hacker News really needs your defense. Let's hear what KickStarter has to say about this. If Daniella Jaeger indeed said "If there is any chance that Rachel will receive spam from a stalker on her project, she should not create one. We simply cannot allow a project to become a forum for rampant spam, as her past project became." then she should apologize and look at the way that the project handles this sort of thing in the future. If she never said this, then this has been a big beatup. Either way, Daniella needs to respond to this allegation.
        jasonlotito 15y ago
        > I'm not certain that Hacker News really needs your defense. You're wrong. It does. People need to be told, flat out, the this isn't a board that wants nor appreciates mob-mentality. It promotes reason and rationality. As a long* time member of HN, threads like this are a blight. Not because of the parties involved, but because we are doing things we abhor in others. > Either way, Daniella needs to respond to this allegation. I hate that mentality. I understand the reasoning, but essentially we are requiring people to respond to trolls. I say this within the context of what we know: a unsubstantiated blog post is claiming certain things. There are numerous steps that could be taken to provide more proof, and I think it's important that evidence is provided to avoid these types of issues. Basically, I see this as the same as me accusing Rachel of setting this all up as a marketing stunt. And then posting some italicized text and claiming it's from her. It's equally as credible as things stand now. Edit: * I just want to add that I don't presume that it needs my help. Rather, every member is, in their own way, responsible for moderating HN. It can only be defended by it's users.
facorreia 15y ago
The way she speaks about the stalker and how they harass everyone she has contact with made me consider the same possibility. She might not even be consciously aware of this.

I'm wondering what is the possibility that the cyberstalker is a creation of the "TRANSMEDIA ARTIST, BRAND DEVELOPER, AND FUTURIST"? It certainly fits into those categories. Just speculation.

jasonlotito 15y ago

Good point. I'm still waiting for proof. In many ways, it's sad and wrong that people are calling for KickStarter to do anything before any shred of proof is provided.

Lazare 15y ago
I think it's perfectly justified to call on Kickstarter to do something: namely, to reply to the allegations. If Kickstarter says "hey, this is all wrong", and Ms Marone maintains that the incident did happen, then we can start weighing proof and credibility. Alternatively, if Kickstarter says "oops, our fault, and we're changing our processes", then no proof needs to be supplied. But first, we need to know Kickstarter's side.
- jasonlotito 15y ago
  That doesn't negate what I said, nor does it change the emotional response in comments above. People are assuming KickStarters guilt already without anything more than a blog post. Furthermore, I don't believe a company, or anyone, should be held to respond to every claim thrown at them. To prove a negative. Do not assume that I support KickStarter if the allegations are true. I just don't think it's reasonable to assume guilt and start demanding things. Let's just say that as of right now, I could say at the OP is merely doing this as a publicity stunt, and she should respond to these allegations, and this would be the exact same thing that is happening here.
  - illumen 15y ago
    The Kickstarter corporation is big enough and bad enough to stand up for itself without anyone having to attack the victim.
    - jasonlotito 15y ago
      Who is attacking the victim? I'm asking for proof, not suggesting anything else. And I'm not defending KickStarter. I'm defending HN from those who would ignore reason and intelligence in place of emotion and ignorance.
      - chris_wot 15y ago
        I'm not certain that Hacker News really needs your defense. Let's hear what KickStarter has to say about this. If Daniella Jaeger indeed said "If there is any chance that Rachel will receive spam from a stalker on her project, she should not create one. We simply cannot allow a project to become a forum for rampant spam, as her past project became." then she should apologize and look at the way that the project handles this sort of thing in the future. If she never said this, then this has been a big beatup. Either way, Daniella needs to respond to this allegation.
        jasonlotito 15y ago
        > I'm not certain that Hacker News really needs your defense. You're wrong. It does. People need to be told, flat out, the this isn't a board that wants nor appreciates mob-mentality. It promotes reason and rationality. As a long* time member of HN, threads like this are a blight. Not because of the parties involved, but because we are doing things we abhor in others. > Either way, Daniella needs to respond to this allegation. I hate that mentality. I understand the reasoning, but essentially we are requiring people to respond to trolls. I say this within the context of what we know: a unsubstantiated blog post is claiming certain things. There are numerous steps that could be taken to provide more proof, and I think it's important that evidence is provided to avoid these types of issues. Basically, I see this as the same as me accusing Rachel of setting this all up as a marketing stunt. And then posting some italicized text and claiming it's from her. It's equally as credible as things stand now. Edit: * I just want to add that I don't presume that it needs my help. Rather, every member is, in their own way, responsible for moderating HN. It can only be defended by it's users.

facorreia 15y ago

The way she speaks about the stalker and how they harass everyone she has contact with made me consider the same possibility. She might not even be consciously aware of this.