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What makes you think this technology is out of control? If anything a 1T param model would only run in like 5-10 computers in this world. As much control as it

What makes you think this technology is out of control? If anything a 1T param model would only run in like 5-10 computers in this world. As much control as it gets. By the way this is doomer rhetoric. Bashing scientific advancements as dangerous or useless by trying to attach vacuously scary ideas that are as speculative as they are outlandish.

vouaobrasil 3y ago
It's hardly vacuous. What about these scientific advancements? 1. Fossil fuel extraction -- we are killing our planet. 2. Plastic chemistry -- there are 5 trillion pieces of plastic in the ocean killing seabirds, turtles, fish (https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0111913 https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0111913) 3. Concrete engineering -- building cities that move people away from a connection with nature 4. Veterinary medicine -- supporting global meat industry that is akin to torture on animals 5. Vehicle engineering -- capable of making vehicles that can kill MILLIONS of square meters of forest. Our technology allows us to live comfortable lives but ONLY at the EXPENSE of millions of nonhuman animals (wild and domestic) that are KILLED every single day for our comforts. We dish out untold violence every second for our advancements.
- smokel 3y ago
  As much as I'd like to agree with your sentiment, it is a rather flawed argument to state that if some elements of a set have a property, that all elements must have that property. There are scientific breakthroughs such as the proof of Fermat's theorem [1], for which I find it very hard to envision a way in which it will kill our planet. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiles%27s_proof_of_Fermat%27s_Last_Theorem https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiles%27s_proof_of_Fermat%27...
- mcosta 3y ago
  Well, I don't care about nonhuman animals. And being sincere, I don't care about 99% of human animals. I cry for the deaths of my loved ones, and forget the rest. It is the only way to remain sane.
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- jsnell 3y ago
  None of that has anything to do with your original complaint of AI models. It makes it look like you don't actually have any argument against AI development, but it is just another thing to rail against.
  - vouaobrasil 3y ago
    I have many specific arguments against AI: 1. It will take away jobs from creatives 2. It will reduce the need for other human beings 3. It will be used by criminals for identity theft...
    - alfiedotwtf 3y ago
      > 1. It will take away jobs from creatives "In the 17th century nearly all Europe experienced revolts of the workpeople against the ribbonloom, a machine for weaving ribbons and trimmings, called in Germany Bandmühle, Schnurmühle, and Mühlenstuhl. These machines were invented in Germany. Abbé Lancellotti, in a work that appeared in Venice in 1636, but which was written in 1579, says as follows: Anthony Müller of Danzig saw about 50 years ago in that town, a very ingenious machine, which weaves 4 to 6 pieces at once. But the Mayor being apprehensive that this invention might throw a large number of workmen on the streets, caused the inventor to be secretly strangled or drowned" -- "Section 5: The Strife Between Workman and Machine", Das Kapital
- astrange 3y ago
  Are you a boomer? > 3. Concrete engineering -- building cities that move people away from a connection with nature This is 70s environmentalist thinking and it's terrible for the environment. Cities are good for it, because when you infill in cities you aren't touching the rest of the land. America is unusually good about this. Most countries don't have our national park system.

vouaobrasil 3y ago

It's hardly vacuous. What about these scientific advancements? 1. Fossil fuel extraction -- we are killing our planet. 2. Plastic chemistry -- there are 5 trillion pieces of plastic in the ocean killing seabirds, turtles, fish (https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0111913 https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0111913) 3. Concrete engineering -- building cities that move people away from a connection with nature 4. Veterinary medicine -- supporting global meat industry that is akin to torture on animals 5. Vehicle engineering -- capable of making vehicles that can kill MILLIONS of square meters of forest. Our technology allows us to live comfortable lives but ONLY at the EXPENSE of millions of nonhuman animals (wild and domestic) that are KILLED every single day for our comforts. We dish out untold violence every second for our advancements.

smokel 3y ago
As much as I'd like to agree with your sentiment, it is a rather flawed argument to state that if some elements of a set have a property, that all elements must have that property. There are scientific breakthroughs such as the proof of Fermat's theorem [1], for which I find it very hard to envision a way in which it will kill our planet. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiles%27s_proof_of_Fermat%27s_Last_Theorem https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiles%27s_proof_of_Fermat%27...
mcosta 3y ago
Well, I don't care about nonhuman animals. And being sincere, I don't care about 99% of human animals. I cry for the deaths of my loved ones, and forget the rest. It is the only way to remain sane.
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jsnell 3y ago
None of that has anything to do with your original complaint of AI models. It makes it look like you don't actually have any argument against AI development, but it is just another thing to rail against.
- vouaobrasil 3y ago
  I have many specific arguments against AI: 1. It will take away jobs from creatives 2. It will reduce the need for other human beings 3. It will be used by criminals for identity theft...
  - alfiedotwtf 3y ago
    > 1. It will take away jobs from creatives "In the 17th century nearly all Europe experienced revolts of the workpeople against the ribbonloom, a machine for weaving ribbons and trimmings, called in Germany Bandmühle, Schnurmühle, and Mühlenstuhl. These machines were invented in Germany. Abbé Lancellotti, in a work that appeared in Venice in 1636, but which was written in 1579, says as follows: Anthony Müller of Danzig saw about 50 years ago in that town, a very ingenious machine, which weaves 4 to 6 pieces at once. But the Mayor being apprehensive that this invention might throw a large number of workmen on the streets, caused the inventor to be secretly strangled or drowned" -- "Section 5: The Strife Between Workman and Machine", Das Kapital
astrange 3y ago
Are you a boomer? > 3. Concrete engineering -- building cities that move people away from a connection with nature This is 70s environmentalist thinking and it's terrible for the environment. Cities are good for it, because when you infill in cities you aren't touching the rest of the land. America is unusually good about this. Most countries don't have our national park system.