8 ms·

It’s amazing what vaccines can do when people take them and they aren’t politically weaponized by AI and social media algorithms. Sorry if I’m bitter, I just h

It’s amazing what vaccines can do when people take them and they aren’t politically weaponized by AI and social media algorithms. Sorry if I’m bitter, I just had a nurse tell me yesterday to not take the flu vaccine because she said it doesn’t prevent flu and why would I “put that junk in my body.”

dotnet00 3y ago
The polio vaccine is also clearly more effective at limiting the disease than the flu or covid vaccines (granted that this is in part just the nature of the virus).
- philjohn 3y ago
  Indeed - from my understanding, they have to "guess"timate which strains of Flu will be prevalent in a given year, if they get it right, fantastic - if they get it wrong, lower effectiveness. Of course, it's not really a guess so much as an educated assessment. Having said that, as an asthmatic I've had the Flu vaccine every year for the last 20 or so years, and knock on wood haven't had Flu since. I also had the multivalent pneumonia vaccine a while ago, so fingers crossed!
  - inglor_cz 3y ago
    TBH my last flu vaccine was something like 25 years ago (I am not antivax, I am just too lazy to get it) and I had "true" flu (not seasonal colds or covid) precisely once since then. My doctor friend doesn't get flu vaccine even when recommended, because, to quote her, "in my line of work, I was already exposed to everything ten times at least". She works as an ORL expert in a big hospital, so she is constantly staring down some sick throats.
    - lawlessone 3y ago
      I try to get them when I remember. There's more evidence , especially since Covid open peoples eyes, that colds , flus etc can have long term effects even after they are gone.
      - nolongerthere 3y ago
        Just to be clear, there is no vaccine for the common cold, nor has there been any evidence, such as a properly conducted study, to suggest a cold can have long term effects.
        UncleSlacky 3y ago
        https://www.sciencealert.com/long-cold-a-hidden-form-of-chronic-sickness-has-just-been-identified https://www.sciencealert.com/long-cold-a-hidden-form-of-chro...
    - nolongerthere 3y ago
      Interesting, I have many family members who work in healthcare and all who are in regular contact with patients are required, by hospital policy, to get the flu vaccine annually. They would not be allowed to clock in if they don't get vaccinated as its determined to be a risk to the patients (the Dr or nurse can easily become typhoid mary).
      - inglor_cz 3y ago
        Here, such policies vary even across a single hospital. Some healthcare workers are required by law to be vaxed against HepB or HepA, or measles, or rabies, but flu is, nation-wide, only "recommended".
    - chimprich 3y ago
      > (I am not antivax, I am just too lazy to get it) Startup idea - vaccine delivery service. Pay a fee or subscription and someone comes to your house or workplace and jabs you with flu vaccine plus any travel shots required.
  - dotnet00 3y ago
    Funnily enough, this was the first year I got a flu vaccine, because it was being offered basically at my door and I thought it'd be useful to have before visiting family. I still managed to get sick afterwards, just instead of a flu it ended up being a particularly bad viral cold. Not a slight against the flu shot, just a funny tidbit since it reminded me that the vaccine doesn't make me invincible from all similar disease.
    - justsee 3y ago
      While it's just an anecdote, it's more than just a funny tidbit as an increased risk of non-influenza respiratory virus is a possible side effect of flu vaccines. "We identified a statistically significant increased risk of noninfluenza respiratory virus infection among TIV recipients (Table 3), including significant increases in the risk of rhinovirus and coxsackie/echovirus infection" [1] That's one of the complications in assessing efficacy: if the benefit in flu vaccine is potentially quite modest (as determined by some long-running studies [2]), and it causes an increased risk of other noninfluenza respiratory viruses, then we need higher-quality, more detailed studies to understand what's happening. But based on the discussion of the Cochrane review it seems unlikely. [3] [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3404712/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3404712/ [2] https://www.cochrane.org/news/featured-review-three-updated-cochrane-reviews-assessing-effectiveness-influenza-vaccines https://www.cochrane.org/news/featured-review-three-updated-... [3] https://community.cochrane.org/news/why-have-three-long-running-cochrane-reviews-influenza-vaccines-been-stabilised https://community.cochrane.org/news/why-have-three-long-runn...
lawlessone 3y ago
nurses are a diverse lot. You meet plenty that could be equivalent to or sometimes more medically experience than doctors. And then unfortunately the one you met(who is probably otherwise good at their job)
- 2devnull 3y ago
  Same is true for doctors. Some good, some very bad. In fact, the same is true (don’t hate me for saying so) various other types of pharmaceutical products, including vaccines that rely on herd immunity and those that are merely “vax treatments” or whatever they’ve renamed it to in late 2023 (I think I was told that they are allowed to call it a “jab” or a “spike vax” but not a booster.)
  - maxerickson 3y ago
    Are you relating a stupid thing a doctor said to you? It isn't entirely clear.
  - epcoa 3y ago
    Someone is feeding you BS information.
    - 2devnull 3y ago
      I’m not trying to relay information, rather was attempting to make a conceptual point which I’ll restate for clarity: the world is filled with shades of grey. Just as some doctors are bad, some vaccines are bad. You can redefine vaccines to be something that can never be bad, and imbue the word with an assumption of safety and efficacy which isn’t deserved. To the contrary we by default assume vaccines are not safe or effective until proven otherwise. Despite this obvious fact, large portions of society have allowed the definition to be altered to where we aren’t even talking about the same things. That includes various health professionals. I tend to group those vaccines that confer herd immunity and “others” and it seems to me that the wording used for the “others” is dynamic and ought not be the same as the word for those that are intended to confer herd immunity. If we used two words, the problem of anti vaxx would be partially ameliorated it seems. But people want little hills to die on.
toomuchtodo 3y ago
I recommend reporting them to their employer. If you don’t believe in the efficacy of vaccines, you don’t belong in healthcare. If you hold the belief outside of healthcare, that’s a right and a choice.
- vasco 3y ago
  Flu vaccines are many times not effective. It's not like they told them to skip a tetanus vaccine. I know it became a polarised topic but we don't need to pretend like all vaccines are the same. It's possible and likely to take a yearly flu shot and still get sick: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/vaccineeffect.htm https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/vaccineeffect.htm > CDC conducts studies each year to determine how well influenza (flu) vaccines protect against flu. While vaccine effectiveness (VE) can vary, recent studies show that flu vaccination reduces the risk of flu illness by between 40% and 60% among the overall population during seasons when most circulating flu viruses are well-matched to those used to make flu vaccines > How well flu vaccines work (or their ability to protect against a certain outcome) can vary from season to season. Protection can vary depending on who is being vaccinated. At least two factors play an important role in determining the likelihood that vaccination will protect a person from flu illness: 1) characteristics of the person being vaccinated (such as their age and health), and 2) how well the vaccines “match” the flu viruses spreading in the community. When flu vaccines are not well matched to some viruses spreading in the community, vaccination may provide little or no protection against illness caused by those viruses. Compare it with something like tetanus vaccines: > Today, diphtheria and tetanus are at historic low rates in the United States. No one has ever studied the efficacy of tetanus toxoid and diphtheria toxoid in a vaccine trial. However, experts infer efficacy from protective antitoxin levels. A complete vaccine series has a clinical efficacy of virtually 100% for tetanus and 97% for diphtheria. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/dtap-tdap-td/hcp/about-vaccine.html https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/dtap-tdap-td/hcp/about-vacc... It's not crazy to behave differently around something with 40-60% efficacy and something with 97-100% efficacy.
  - carbocation 3y ago
    There is steelmanning an argument, and then there is completely changing it. There is a world of difference between having your healthcare provider tell you "the flu vaccine has to be made in advance and often targets the wrong strain, so can therefore be ineffective even the majority of the time" vs calling the vaccine putting "junk in [your] body".
o11c 3y ago
Also, when the CIA doesn't ruin everything.
- CodesInChaos 3y ago
  > On May 2, 2011, President Barack Obama announced that the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) had located and killed Osama Bin Laden. The agency organised a fake hepatitis vaccination campaign in Abottabad, Pakistan, in a bid to obtain DNA from the children of Bin Laden, to confirm the presence of the family in a compound and sanction the rollout of a risky and extensive operation. Release of this information has had a disastrous effect on worldwide eradication of infectious diseases, especially polio. > On May 16, 2014, the White House announced that the CIA will no longer use vaccination programmes as a cover for espionage. The news comes in the wake of a series of militant attacks on polio vaccination workers in Pakistan, with legitimate health-care workers targeted as being US spies. The attacks have forced organisations such as the UN to suspend polio vaccination efforts in Pakistan, and have severely hampered anti-polio efforts, with parents refusing to have their children vaccinated. News of the vaccination programme led to a banning of vaccination in areas controlled by the Pakistan Taliban, and added to existing scepticism surrounding the sincerity of public health efforts by the international health community. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jul/11/cia-fake-vaccinations-osama-bin-ladens-dna https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jul/11/cia-fake-vacci... https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(14)60900-4/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6...
  - danans 3y ago
    > News of the vaccination programme led to a banning of vaccination in areas controlled by the Pakistan Taliban, and added to existing scepticism surrounding the sincerity of public health efforts by the international health community. If I recall correctly, the conspiracy theory that emerged was that vaccines were secretly being used to render the people sterile. It is interesting how 8 years later nearly the same line of thinking took hold in the West (albeit with claim of injected mind control chips) amid anti-vaxxers.
    - 3y ago
TheBlight 3y ago
Given she's a health care professional I'd probably follow up with her for more of her reasoning. Has she seen it fail clinically? Is she aware of any adverse side-effects? Is it an issue with this specific brand?
- iamflimflam1 3y ago
  Health care professional covers a huge range of people. This is not in any way meant to dismiss the incredible hard work that these people do, but health care is a notoriously low paid profession and many people have little to no qualifications. If you are assuming the “health care professional” equates to informed and well trained then I have a bridge that you might be interested in…
  - vGPU 3y ago
    > health care is a notoriously low paid profession Where is that, exactly? Because it certainly isn’t in the US.
    - dartos 3y ago
      It depends where in healthcare. Geriatric nurses tend to not get paid well, but resident nurses in hospitals do. It’s a wide field.
    - Tagbert 3y ago
      Surgeons and specialists are high paid. Regular physicians not so much. Nurses are not at all highly paid.
      - vGPU 3y ago
        As a nurse I make $100/hr. Try again.
        Tagbert 3y ago
        Since you are closer to the profession, do you think that wage is at all typical of a nurse or are you in a specialized area that pays higher? Just trying to understand what level of compensation is really happening.
xkbarkar 3y ago
That did not happen. Uff tiresome to read the conspiracy crap on vaccine usage, all of a sudden even nurses are anti-vaxxers (or whatever rage inducing crap gets comment votes these days). I am stating the comment is for internet points only and never happened and Id bet money on it.
Kiro 3y ago
> politically weaponized by AI What is this referring to?
thinkcontext 3y ago
You should report the nurse. They could be doing real damage to community health.
tambourine_man 3y ago
I would report her to the responsible in the hospital and to the regulatory agency in your country. I did it twice during the pandemic. In one case it was someone I trusted for many years.
xkbarkar 3y ago
This comment is solely to collect internet points. Never happened. Id be money on it.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
  My partner works with a lot of nurses and some of them say things that are this uninformed.
- bunabhucan 3y ago
  I've done pro vaccine advocacy work like testifying as a parent at bill hearings. The anti vaccination folks testifying include nurses and will be very loud about that fact. We've also had problems where a nurse doing pre natal classes turned put to be anti vaccine.
syedkarim 3y ago
Was this a registered nurse (4-year nursing degree)?
kevin_thibedeau 3y ago
Maybe she was confused with Tamiflu which only works when administered no more than 48 hours after onset of symptoms, at which point there can be no certainty it's an influenza infection at all without the expense of testing.
- foobiekr 3y ago
  In direct experience a lot or nurses are dumb and crazy just like the general population. There are plenty of antivax nurses and nurses who believe in things like Kinoki Foot Pads
phpisthebest 3y ago
Calling it a vaccine (like COVID vaccine) is a problem IMO Non-immunizing treatments should not be called vaccines, the annual flu shot should not be considered a vaccine, nor should the mRNA COVID "vaccine", for which they had to change the very definition of what a vaccine is to even include it for legal purposes. For the flu shot it is a crap shot, as there are soo many flu variants annually they make a best guess as to which one(s) will likely because prominent based on trends and package them up, often they are correct sometimes they are not... For more traditional vaccines like Polio and other long term immunizing vaccines society ends up suffering because of the inclusion of these short term annual or less treatments and over all is a net negative As to " politically weaponized by AI and social media algorithms" it was more than AI and Social media that made these things political, it was the political branches of government that made it so by mandates and rhetoric that pitted people against each other. Attempting to exile people that even questioned their government masters... That is what made it political.
- samatman 3y ago
  The problem is that they are vaccines, "vaccine" doesn't mean what you think. The best vaccines are sterilizing, meaning that they prevent disease and transmission often enough that very high rates of vaccination extirpate the virus. It might be useful for discussion purposes if "vaccine" meant "sterilizing vaccine" and vaccines which don't work as well had some other name, but that's not how it works.
  - phpisthebest 3y ago
    >>"vaccine" doesn't mean what you think. yes they keep changing the definition to include more and more things legally as "vaccines" are shielded from any liability so you can not sue big pharma if they injury with their "vaccine" this however does not change the fact that the way the law (and you) use the term is very very very different than what the ordinary person thinks and understands a vaccine to be When this person then discovers that the government uses a different (your) "correct" definition to include things they traditionally would not think of as a vaccine this erodes trust in the entire system. This was made very very clear with COVID.
JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago
> > I just had a nurse tell me yesterday to not take the flu vaccine because she said it doesn’t prevent flu The flu vaccine is notoriously kinda like shooting in the dark because it's hard to predict which strain will dominate the winter.
- mikeyouse 3y ago
  The flu vaccine has upwards of a 30% reduction in all cause mortality in at-risk populations. It’s insanely effective even when the chosen variants aren’t ideal. People are so ridiculous, they’ll get a flu vaccine, contract a flu that makes them pretty sick and then decide that the vaccine didn’t work rather than realizing it did work and saved them from a much worse illness.

dotnet00 3y ago

The polio vaccine is also clearly more effective at limiting the disease than the flu or covid vaccines (granted that this is in part just the nature of the virus).

philjohn 3y ago
Indeed - from my understanding, they have to "guess"timate which strains of Flu will be prevalent in a given year, if they get it right, fantastic - if they get it wrong, lower effectiveness. Of course, it's not really a guess so much as an educated assessment. Having said that, as an asthmatic I've had the Flu vaccine every year for the last 20 or so years, and knock on wood haven't had Flu since. I also had the multivalent pneumonia vaccine a while ago, so fingers crossed!
- inglor_cz 3y ago
  TBH my last flu vaccine was something like 25 years ago (I am not antivax, I am just too lazy to get it) and I had "true" flu (not seasonal colds or covid) precisely once since then. My doctor friend doesn't get flu vaccine even when recommended, because, to quote her, "in my line of work, I was already exposed to everything ten times at least". She works as an ORL expert in a big hospital, so she is constantly staring down some sick throats.
  - lawlessone 3y ago
    I try to get them when I remember. There's more evidence , especially since Covid open peoples eyes, that colds , flus etc can have long term effects even after they are gone.
    - nolongerthere 3y ago
      Just to be clear, there is no vaccine for the common cold, nor has there been any evidence, such as a properly conducted study, to suggest a cold can have long term effects.
      - UncleSlacky 3y ago
        https://www.sciencealert.com/long-cold-a-hidden-form-of-chronic-sickness-has-just-been-identified https://www.sciencealert.com/long-cold-a-hidden-form-of-chro...
  - nolongerthere 3y ago
    Interesting, I have many family members who work in healthcare and all who are in regular contact with patients are required, by hospital policy, to get the flu vaccine annually. They would not be allowed to clock in if they don't get vaccinated as its determined to be a risk to the patients (the Dr or nurse can easily become typhoid mary).
    - inglor_cz 3y ago
      Here, such policies vary even across a single hospital. Some healthcare workers are required by law to be vaxed against HepB or HepA, or measles, or rabies, but flu is, nation-wide, only "recommended".
  - chimprich 3y ago
    > (I am not antivax, I am just too lazy to get it) Startup idea - vaccine delivery service. Pay a fee or subscription and someone comes to your house or workplace and jabs you with flu vaccine plus any travel shots required.
- dotnet00 3y ago
  Funnily enough, this was the first year I got a flu vaccine, because it was being offered basically at my door and I thought it'd be useful to have before visiting family. I still managed to get sick afterwards, just instead of a flu it ended up being a particularly bad viral cold. Not a slight against the flu shot, just a funny tidbit since it reminded me that the vaccine doesn't make me invincible from all similar disease.
  - justsee 3y ago
    While it's just an anecdote, it's more than just a funny tidbit as an increased risk of non-influenza respiratory virus is a possible side effect of flu vaccines. "We identified a statistically significant increased risk of noninfluenza respiratory virus infection among TIV recipients (Table 3), including significant increases in the risk of rhinovirus and coxsackie/echovirus infection" [1] That's one of the complications in assessing efficacy: if the benefit in flu vaccine is potentially quite modest (as determined by some long-running studies [2]), and it causes an increased risk of other noninfluenza respiratory viruses, then we need higher-quality, more detailed studies to understand what's happening. But based on the discussion of the Cochrane review it seems unlikely. [3] [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3404712/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3404712/ [2] https://www.cochrane.org/news/featured-review-three-updated-cochrane-reviews-assessing-effectiveness-influenza-vaccines https://www.cochrane.org/news/featured-review-three-updated-... [3] https://community.cochrane.org/news/why-have-three-long-running-cochrane-reviews-influenza-vaccines-been-stabilised https://community.cochrane.org/news/why-have-three-long-runn...

lawlessone 3y ago

nurses are a diverse lot. You meet plenty that could be equivalent to or sometimes more medically experience than doctors. And then unfortunately the one you met(who is probably otherwise good at their job)

2devnull 3y ago
Same is true for doctors. Some good, some very bad. In fact, the same is true (don’t hate me for saying so) various other types of pharmaceutical products, including vaccines that rely on herd immunity and those that are merely “vax treatments” or whatever they’ve renamed it to in late 2023 (I think I was told that they are allowed to call it a “jab” or a “spike vax” but not a booster.)
- maxerickson 3y ago
  Are you relating a stupid thing a doctor said to you? It isn't entirely clear.
- epcoa 3y ago
  Someone is feeding you BS information.
  - 2devnull 3y ago
    I’m not trying to relay information, rather was attempting to make a conceptual point which I’ll restate for clarity: the world is filled with shades of grey. Just as some doctors are bad, some vaccines are bad. You can redefine vaccines to be something that can never be bad, and imbue the word with an assumption of safety and efficacy which isn’t deserved. To the contrary we by default assume vaccines are not safe or effective until proven otherwise. Despite this obvious fact, large portions of society have allowed the definition to be altered to where we aren’t even talking about the same things. That includes various health professionals. I tend to group those vaccines that confer herd immunity and “others” and it seems to me that the wording used for the “others” is dynamic and ought not be the same as the word for those that are intended to confer herd immunity. If we used two words, the problem of anti vaxx would be partially ameliorated it seems. But people want little hills to die on.

toomuchtodo 3y ago

I recommend reporting them to their employer. If you don’t believe in the efficacy of vaccines, you don’t belong in healthcare. If you hold the belief outside of healthcare, that’s a right and a choice.

vasco 3y ago
Flu vaccines are many times not effective. It's not like they told them to skip a tetanus vaccine. I know it became a polarised topic but we don't need to pretend like all vaccines are the same. It's possible and likely to take a yearly flu shot and still get sick: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/vaccineeffect.htm https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/vaccineeffect.htm > CDC conducts studies each year to determine how well influenza (flu) vaccines protect against flu. While vaccine effectiveness (VE) can vary, recent studies show that flu vaccination reduces the risk of flu illness by between 40% and 60% among the overall population during seasons when most circulating flu viruses are well-matched to those used to make flu vaccines > How well flu vaccines work (or their ability to protect against a certain outcome) can vary from season to season. Protection can vary depending on who is being vaccinated. At least two factors play an important role in determining the likelihood that vaccination will protect a person from flu illness: 1) characteristics of the person being vaccinated (such as their age and health), and 2) how well the vaccines “match” the flu viruses spreading in the community. When flu vaccines are not well matched to some viruses spreading in the community, vaccination may provide little or no protection against illness caused by those viruses. Compare it with something like tetanus vaccines: > Today, diphtheria and tetanus are at historic low rates in the United States. No one has ever studied the efficacy of tetanus toxoid and diphtheria toxoid in a vaccine trial. However, experts infer efficacy from protective antitoxin levels. A complete vaccine series has a clinical efficacy of virtually 100% for tetanus and 97% for diphtheria. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/dtap-tdap-td/hcp/about-vaccine.html https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/dtap-tdap-td/hcp/about-vacc... It's not crazy to behave differently around something with 40-60% efficacy and something with 97-100% efficacy.
- carbocation 3y ago
  There is steelmanning an argument, and then there is completely changing it. There is a world of difference between having your healthcare provider tell you "the flu vaccine has to be made in advance and often targets the wrong strain, so can therefore be ineffective even the majority of the time" vs calling the vaccine putting "junk in [your] body".

o11c 3y ago

Also, when the CIA doesn't ruin everything.

CodesInChaos 3y ago
> On May 2, 2011, President Barack Obama announced that the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) had located and killed Osama Bin Laden. The agency organised a fake hepatitis vaccination campaign in Abottabad, Pakistan, in a bid to obtain DNA from the children of Bin Laden, to confirm the presence of the family in a compound and sanction the rollout of a risky and extensive operation. Release of this information has had a disastrous effect on worldwide eradication of infectious diseases, especially polio. > On May 16, 2014, the White House announced that the CIA will no longer use vaccination programmes as a cover for espionage. The news comes in the wake of a series of militant attacks on polio vaccination workers in Pakistan, with legitimate health-care workers targeted as being US spies. The attacks have forced organisations such as the UN to suspend polio vaccination efforts in Pakistan, and have severely hampered anti-polio efforts, with parents refusing to have their children vaccinated. News of the vaccination programme led to a banning of vaccination in areas controlled by the Pakistan Taliban, and added to existing scepticism surrounding the sincerity of public health efforts by the international health community. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jul/11/cia-fake-vaccinations-osama-bin-ladens-dna https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jul/11/cia-fake-vacci... https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(14)60900-4/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6...
- danans 3y ago
  > News of the vaccination programme led to a banning of vaccination in areas controlled by the Pakistan Taliban, and added to existing scepticism surrounding the sincerity of public health efforts by the international health community. If I recall correctly, the conspiracy theory that emerged was that vaccines were secretly being used to render the people sterile. It is interesting how 8 years later nearly the same line of thinking took hold in the West (albeit with claim of injected mind control chips) amid anti-vaxxers.
  - 3y ago

TheBlight 3y ago

Given she's a health care professional I'd probably follow up with her for more of her reasoning. Has she seen it fail clinically? Is she aware of any adverse side-effects? Is it an issue with this specific brand?

iamflimflam1 3y ago
Health care professional covers a huge range of people. This is not in any way meant to dismiss the incredible hard work that these people do, but health care is a notoriously low paid profession and many people have little to no qualifications. If you are assuming the “health care professional” equates to informed and well trained then I have a bridge that you might be interested in…
- vGPU 3y ago
  > health care is a notoriously low paid profession Where is that, exactly? Because it certainly isn’t in the US.
  - dartos 3y ago
    It depends where in healthcare. Geriatric nurses tend to not get paid well, but resident nurses in hospitals do. It’s a wide field.
  - Tagbert 3y ago
    Surgeons and specialists are high paid. Regular physicians not so much. Nurses are not at all highly paid.
    - vGPU 3y ago
      As a nurse I make $100/hr. Try again.
      - Tagbert 3y ago
        Since you are closer to the profession, do you think that wage is at all typical of a nurse or are you in a specialized area that pays higher? Just trying to understand what level of compensation is really happening.

xkbarkar 3y ago

That did not happen. Uff tiresome to read the conspiracy crap on vaccine usage, all of a sudden even nurses are anti-vaxxers (or whatever rage inducing crap gets comment votes these days). I am stating the comment is for internet points only and never happened and Id bet money on it.

Kiro 3y ago

> politically weaponized by AI What is this referring to?

thinkcontext 3y ago

You should report the nurse. They could be doing real damage to community health.

tambourine_man 3y ago

I would report her to the responsible in the hospital and to the regulatory agency in your country. I did it twice during the pandemic. In one case it was someone I trusted for many years.

xkbarkar 3y ago

This comment is solely to collect internet points. Never happened. Id be money on it.

2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
My partner works with a lot of nurses and some of them say things that are this uninformed.
bunabhucan 3y ago
I've done pro vaccine advocacy work like testifying as a parent at bill hearings. The anti vaccination folks testifying include nurses and will be very loud about that fact. We've also had problems where a nurse doing pre natal classes turned put to be anti vaccine.

syedkarim 3y ago

Was this a registered nurse (4-year nursing degree)?

kevin_thibedeau 3y ago

Maybe she was confused with Tamiflu which only works when administered no more than 48 hours after onset of symptoms, at which point there can be no certainty it's an influenza infection at all without the expense of testing.

foobiekr 3y ago
In direct experience a lot or nurses are dumb and crazy just like the general population. There are plenty of antivax nurses and nurses who believe in things like Kinoki Foot Pads

phpisthebest 3y ago

Calling it a vaccine (like COVID vaccine) is a problem IMO Non-immunizing treatments should not be called vaccines, the annual flu shot should not be considered a vaccine, nor should the mRNA COVID "vaccine", for which they had to change the very definition of what a vaccine is to even include it for legal purposes. For the flu shot it is a crap shot, as there are soo many flu variants annually they make a best guess as to which one(s) will likely because prominent based on trends and package them up, often they are correct sometimes they are not... For more traditional vaccines like Polio and other long term immunizing vaccines society ends up suffering because of the inclusion of these short term annual or less treatments and over all is a net negative As to " politically weaponized by AI and social media algorithms" it was more than AI and Social media that made these things political, it was the political branches of government that made it so by mandates and rhetoric that pitted people against each other. Attempting to exile people that even questioned their government masters... That is what made it political.

samatman 3y ago
The problem is that they are vaccines, "vaccine" doesn't mean what you think. The best vaccines are sterilizing, meaning that they prevent disease and transmission often enough that very high rates of vaccination extirpate the virus. It might be useful for discussion purposes if "vaccine" meant "sterilizing vaccine" and vaccines which don't work as well had some other name, but that's not how it works.
- phpisthebest 3y ago
  >>"vaccine" doesn't mean what you think. yes they keep changing the definition to include more and more things legally as "vaccines" are shielded from any liability so you can not sue big pharma if they injury with their "vaccine" this however does not change the fact that the way the law (and you) use the term is very very very different than what the ordinary person thinks and understands a vaccine to be When this person then discovers that the government uses a different (your) "correct" definition to include things they traditionally would not think of as a vaccine this erodes trust in the entire system. This was made very very clear with COVID.

JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago

> > I just had a nurse tell me yesterday to not take the flu vaccine because she said it doesn’t prevent flu The flu vaccine is notoriously kinda like shooting in the dark because it's hard to predict which strain will dominate the winter.

mikeyouse 3y ago
The flu vaccine has upwards of a 30% reduction in all cause mortality in at-risk populations. It’s insanely effective even when the chosen variants aren’t ideal. People are so ridiculous, they’ll get a flu vaccine, contract a flu that makes them pretty sick and then decide that the vaccine didn’t work rather than realizing it did work and saved them from a much worse illness.