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Non-boys clubs give seats to incompetent workers to increase percentages in a report. Boys clubs can hire whoever is more capable with no regard to those percen

• the_gipsy 3y ago
  You must either acknowledge that boy clubs are more incompetent, or that you believe that boys are inherently more competent. In the latter case there is no point in discussing further.
  • account42 3y ago
    Those are not the only two options. For example if the distribution of interested candiates is already skewed towards one gender then forcing gender quotas means you need to hire inferior candiates even if both genders have the same distribution of capability. That said, not only discounting that either gender could be better at certain jobs but refusing to talk to someone because you suspect that may be their opinion is beyond absurd and that kind of politicized gut-based and evidence-fearing thinking may be another reason why organizations that don't pay attention to gender politics are more capable than those that do.
    • the_gipsy 3y ago
      Unbalanced pool of interested candidates is a factor, that's true, but the lack of interest is again a "boys club" syndrome from as early as school. And it's not like this "boys club" only happens at school stage and goes away at the workplace stage. There are some physical jobs that have some gender bias due to their physicality. Software development is not one of them. This is like debating e.g. covid deniers or whatever nutjobs you will, not worth my time but not evidence fearing.
  • notyofriend 3y ago
    At a working level boys clubs work well. The culture dives commotion and high levels of cooperation. The problem often arises in management where the Alpha male gets promoted but doesn’t actually have the organizational skills to handle delicate problems or manage work effectively. The resulting management culture becomes toxic and unproductive quickly. For a short while diverse leadership and management structure was an indicator that companies were promoting based on competence. But once someone realized that that was the case companies started stuffing the pool to pretend they were promoting competency without actually doing that.
• MattRix 3y ago
  “Boys clubs can hire whoever is more capable” Surely you can see how this logic is absurd. You can’t limit your pool of workers to only “boys” and then claim you’re hiring the most capable people. You will miss out on all the capable people who aren’t “boys”.
  • account42 3y ago
    Most so-called boys clubs don't limit their hiring to boys. It's just that they don't go out of they way to specifically hire non-boys.
    • DonHopkins 3y ago
      What evidence do you have for that, or are you just pulling it out of your ass? What games have YOU shipped? Have you worked on a team at Rock Star or EA or any other game development company?
    • MattRix 3y ago
      They absolutely do reject people who are “not a culture fit” all the time, how do you think it stays as a boys club? On top of that there’s all the high caliber people who would intentionally avoid applying to work there because of the workplace culture.
• skyyler 3y ago
  I don’t think a non-boy’s-club is necessarily driven by affirmative action… The fact that you think that’s the only way a non-boy’s-club can exist is rather telling :x
  • zlg_codes 3y ago
    Generally, diversity agendas are poorly veiled attempts to force a given group of people to match census data, regardless of that industries realities such as the number of available graduates, etc. What's telling to me is male college attendance and graduation are both below female levels and yet everyone still act like men run and rule everything and have every advantage. That is patently untrue.
    • op00to 3y ago
      How the hell does college graduation relate to … men ruling everything?
      • zlg_codes 3y ago
        If someone complains about opportunity, you usually look at statistics for said opportunities to see who's excelling and who isn't. If men were really as on top of everyone as claimed, we'd dominate in every major avenue of life. But we don't, so it pokes a hole in the narrative. Socially speaking, we are abondoning men in droves. Boys are not getting the social and emotional upbringing needed to integrate in society, and many people just plain don't want men around. Serial killers and school shootings are predominantly perpetrated by men. There may be a social component to that. I strongly suggest that not only is there an element, it's the primary reason it happens at all. Men who feel excluded or taken advantage of will eventually strike back at those they consider responsible for harming them. This can be stopped by proper socialization. That will never happen though because we're so quick to consider little 10 year old Bobby as a potential rapist. I'm sure that's a healthy environment for men, alongside their peers hating masculinity with no adequate replacement! The world has a problem with men and it needs to get over it. We're an entire half of the species and we're not fucking going anywhere.
• DonHopkins 3y ago
  We had many female and LGBTQ+ designers and artists working on The Sims because they were excellent at what they did, and their unique perspectives that most straight white men simply didn't have were essential to the game's popularity and success across all genders and ages and cultures, and for you to slanderously claim with no evidence that they were incompetent, chosen because of their gender, or to increase percentages in a report, is idiotic, incorrect, insulting, assinie, and misogynistic.
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