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Sadly A&A don't offer an unlimited bandwidth plan, which in 2023 seems absolutely ridiculous if you ask me.

by enlyth 3y ago

justsomehnguy 3y ago
>> Starts with ADSL and 1TB/month download for £25.00 Wow.
mnd999 3y ago
How much do you need? 10tb/month which is their higher quota is a lot.
- enlyth 3y ago
  More than 1TB a month. Just downloading one game from Steam can easily be more than 100GB these days. Downloading ML weights churns through gigabytes easily, as does downloading or streaming 4K movies. What's the point of having gigabit download speed if you have to constantly worry about using up your cap? And paying an extra £5 for every 250GB extra seems like some arbitrary punishment for power users. They don't pay for infrastructure based on bytes transferred so why should I as a customer pay this random made up number?
  - ta1243 3y ago
    They say: > The second reason, which mainly makes sense with our terabyte services, is to have a high limit but one that deters the really heavy users, i.e. the people that literally use hundreds of times the typical usage. By excluding such customers from these services we can provide a faster and better services to our customers
  - mnd999 3y ago
    That’s still not going to use 10tb. Maybe 2 or 3.
GordonS 3y ago
This is what made them a no-go for me - they may well have superb service, but their service would be expensive even without a bandwidth cap. And 1TBbof bandwidth in this day and age is nothing.
traceroute66 3y ago
> A&A don't offer an unlimited bandwidth plan, which in 2023 seems absolutely ridiculous if you ask me What is ridiculous to me is that in 2023 we have someone on a techie forum who actually believes in the unlimited fairy. Go read the small-print of your "unlimited" contract. Especially any sections entitled "acceptable use policy","fair use policy" or similar. "unlimited" only means two things : traffic shaping and rate limiting.
- ripdog 3y ago
  That may be true where you live, but down here in NZ, unlimited means unlimited (on fibre). Our competitive ISP market means that all major ISPs have completely ditched their fair usage policies. I regularly use well over 10TB a month and have never had any issues from multiple ISPs. We have a regulation-enforced split between ISPs and the line owners, meaning anyone can set up an ISP for a relatively low capital cost by leasing access to the last mile fibre lines to customers. As such, there are plenty of nation-wide ISPs here.
  - traceroute66 3y ago
    > here in NZ...all major ISPs have completely ditched their fair usage policies. I'm quite fond of NZ and I've heard good things about the quality of your telecoms regulation, but .... We manage traffic which may influence your broadband performance. This means we might have to pause, restrict, end or slow the performance of your service if it’s necessary for us to protect our networks or manage traffic over our networks. See clause 6.6 of our General Terms for more details. and You need to use our services fairly – we’ve set out our rules on this at clause 2.6 of our General Terms. and Fair use by you: You must use our services fairly. This means you agree to use them in a way that’s not overly excessive or unreasonable. This policy is based on how most people use the service and helps us make sure everyone using it gets to enjoy it. If we, acting reasonably and in good faith, believe your use is excessive and unreasonable, we might need to restrict the service or stop providing it to you. All from Spark NZ's conditions[1][2] for their "unlimited data" fibre product[3]. [1]https://www.spark.co.nz/help/other/terms/personal-terms/essential-fibre-plus-terms/ https://www.spark.co.nz/help/other/terms/personal-terms/esse... [2]https://www.spark.co.nz/help/other/terms/personal-terms/general-terms/ https://www.spark.co.nz/help/other/terms/personal-terms/gene... [3]https://www.spark.co.nz/online/broadband/buy-plan?category=fibre https://www.spark.co.nz/online/broadband/buy-plan?category=f...
darkr 3y ago
The standard monthly quota plans are 1TB and 10TB for residential, and 2TB and 20TB for SOHO/business, which is pretty workable for most use cases. Compared to some residential ISPs where I've seen caps as low as 15GB/month..
- Dylan16807 3y ago
  > The standard monthly quota plans are 1TB and 10TB for residential, and 2TB and 20TB for SOHO/business, which is pretty workable for most use cases. How much does it cost to upgrade from 1TB to 10TB? I don't care how common a cap like that is, or what abominable caps some other service might have. 1TB for a whole month is only 3 megabits per second average, and that is not a good amount. And it should definitely be possible to buy more than 30 megabits per second average for a residence. For a business, 20TB in a month is good for a few employees but breaks down very fast if they start working remotely.
  - darkr 3y ago
    > How much does it cost to upgrade from 1TB to 10TB? £10/month
    - Dylan16807 3y ago
      Okay, that's pretty reasonable then.

Sadly A&A don't offer an unlimited bandwidth plan, which in 2023 seems absolutely ridiculous if you ask me.

by enlyth 3y ago

Sadly A&A don't offer an unlimited bandwidth plan, which in 2023 seems absolutely ridiculous if you ask me.

justsomehnguy 3y ago

>> Starts with ADSL and 1TB/month download for £25.00 Wow.

mnd999 3y ago

How much do you need? 10tb/month which is their higher quota is a lot.

enlyth 3y ago
More than 1TB a month. Just downloading one game from Steam can easily be more than 100GB these days. Downloading ML weights churns through gigabytes easily, as does downloading or streaming 4K movies. What's the point of having gigabit download speed if you have to constantly worry about using up your cap? And paying an extra £5 for every 250GB extra seems like some arbitrary punishment for power users. They don't pay for infrastructure based on bytes transferred so why should I as a customer pay this random made up number?
- ta1243 3y ago
  They say: > The second reason, which mainly makes sense with our terabyte services, is to have a high limit but one that deters the really heavy users, i.e. the people that literally use hundreds of times the typical usage. By excluding such customers from these services we can provide a faster and better services to our customers
- mnd999 3y ago
  That’s still not going to use 10tb. Maybe 2 or 3.

GordonS 3y ago

This is what made them a no-go for me - they may well have superb service, but their service would be expensive even without a bandwidth cap. And 1TBbof bandwidth in this day and age is nothing.

traceroute66 3y ago

> A&A don't offer an unlimited bandwidth plan, which in 2023 seems absolutely ridiculous if you ask me What is ridiculous to me is that in 2023 we have someone on a techie forum who actually believes in the unlimited fairy. Go read the small-print of your "unlimited" contract. Especially any sections entitled "acceptable use policy","fair use policy" or similar. "unlimited" only means two things : traffic shaping and rate limiting.

ripdog 3y ago
That may be true where you live, but down here in NZ, unlimited means unlimited (on fibre). Our competitive ISP market means that all major ISPs have completely ditched their fair usage policies. I regularly use well over 10TB a month and have never had any issues from multiple ISPs. We have a regulation-enforced split between ISPs and the line owners, meaning anyone can set up an ISP for a relatively low capital cost by leasing access to the last mile fibre lines to customers. As such, there are plenty of nation-wide ISPs here.
- traceroute66 3y ago
  > here in NZ...all major ISPs have completely ditched their fair usage policies. I'm quite fond of NZ and I've heard good things about the quality of your telecoms regulation, but .... We manage traffic which may influence your broadband performance. This means we might have to pause, restrict, end or slow the performance of your service if it’s necessary for us to protect our networks or manage traffic over our networks. See clause 6.6 of our General Terms for more details. and You need to use our services fairly – we’ve set out our rules on this at clause 2.6 of our General Terms. and Fair use by you: You must use our services fairly. This means you agree to use them in a way that’s not overly excessive or unreasonable. This policy is based on how most people use the service and helps us make sure everyone using it gets to enjoy it. If we, acting reasonably and in good faith, believe your use is excessive and unreasonable, we might need to restrict the service or stop providing it to you. All from Spark NZ's conditions[1][2] for their "unlimited data" fibre product[3]. [1]https://www.spark.co.nz/help/other/terms/personal-terms/essential-fibre-plus-terms/ https://www.spark.co.nz/help/other/terms/personal-terms/esse... [2]https://www.spark.co.nz/help/other/terms/personal-terms/general-terms/ https://www.spark.co.nz/help/other/terms/personal-terms/gene... [3]https://www.spark.co.nz/online/broadband/buy-plan?category=fibre https://www.spark.co.nz/online/broadband/buy-plan?category=f...

darkr 3y ago

The standard monthly quota plans are 1TB and 10TB for residential, and 2TB and 20TB for SOHO/business, which is pretty workable for most use cases. Compared to some residential ISPs where I've seen caps as low as 15GB/month..

Dylan16807 3y ago
> The standard monthly quota plans are 1TB and 10TB for residential, and 2TB and 20TB for SOHO/business, which is pretty workable for most use cases. How much does it cost to upgrade from 1TB to 10TB? I don't care how common a cap like that is, or what abominable caps some other service might have. 1TB for a whole month is only 3 megabits per second average, and that is not a good amount. And it should definitely be possible to buy more than 30 megabits per second average for a residence. For a business, 20TB in a month is good for a few employees but breaks down very fast if they start working remotely.
- darkr 3y ago
  > How much does it cost to upgrade from 1TB to 10TB? £10/month
  - Dylan16807 3y ago
    Okay, that's pretty reasonable then.