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This product is the epitome of everything wrong with startups and VC. There is no justification for why a bed mattress should require a subscription.

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123yawaworht456 3y ago
BMW is doing that, and it's older than the Thousand-Year reich. this is not a consequence of VC, rather, it's evidence that slippery slope is law rather than fallacy.
- ta93754829 3y ago
  I heard recently that BMW have back pedaled from subscriptions due to the massive backlash, so maybe that's a small win? don't know
  - seanmcdirmid 3y ago
    They also only tried it in South Korea, so it’s not like a thing most BMW owners experienced.
- psd1 3y ago
  But that's every car manufacturer nowadays, no? You pay monthly for Apple Whatever. You pay for adaptive cruise control. You pay for smart headlights.
- WirelessGigabit 3y ago
  At least with BMW you could buy the permanent unlock. In fact, I didn't mind the idea. When looking for cars heated seats for me are non-negotiable. And 1/2 don't seem to have them. With this at least I would've had much more selection of used cars. That said, BMW should stop being so cheap. They're expensive enough to get the option by default (these days they actually do here in the USA).
novok 3y ago
It works without a subscription. The subscription is an extra on top of the bed. It's main value is a temperature thermostat with 2 separated water cooling layers, which can be a godsend for some.
- threeseed 3y ago
  You are required to a buy a full year membership when purchasing. And then if you don't have it basic features like scheduling temperatures aren't available.
  - Threeve303 3y ago
    The mattress will not allow you to sleep unless your subscription is active
    - duskwuff 3y ago
      "But, you see, what we're really trying to do here is redefine the mattress industry, from providing a passive product into more of a compelling interactive sleep experience..." (/s? I hope?)
      - psd1 3y ago
        Providing a sense of pride and accomplishment
mewpmewp2 3y ago
It seems like it gives incentive to improve things though.

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123yawaworht456 3y ago

BMW is doing that, and it's older than the Thousand-Year reich. this is not a consequence of VC, rather, it's evidence that slippery slope is law rather than fallacy.

ta93754829 3y ago
I heard recently that BMW have back pedaled from subscriptions due to the massive backlash, so maybe that's a small win? don't know
- seanmcdirmid 3y ago
  They also only tried it in South Korea, so it’s not like a thing most BMW owners experienced.
psd1 3y ago
But that's every car manufacturer nowadays, no? You pay monthly for Apple Whatever. You pay for adaptive cruise control. You pay for smart headlights.
WirelessGigabit 3y ago
At least with BMW you could buy the permanent unlock. In fact, I didn't mind the idea. When looking for cars heated seats for me are non-negotiable. And 1/2 don't seem to have them. With this at least I would've had much more selection of used cars. That said, BMW should stop being so cheap. They're expensive enough to get the option by default (these days they actually do here in the USA).

novok 3y ago

It works without a subscription. The subscription is an extra on top of the bed. It's main value is a temperature thermostat with 2 separated water cooling layers, which can be a godsend for some.

threeseed 3y ago
You are required to a buy a full year membership when purchasing. And then if you don't have it basic features like scheduling temperatures aren't available.
- Threeve303 3y ago
  The mattress will not allow you to sleep unless your subscription is active
  - duskwuff 3y ago
    "But, you see, what we're really trying to do here is redefine the mattress industry, from providing a passive product into more of a compelling interactive sleep experience..." (/s? I hope?)
    - psd1 3y ago
      Providing a sense of pride and accomplishment

mewpmewp2 3y ago

It seems like it gives incentive to improve things though.