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I'd like to have the choice not to. I have extremely limited options for that. And I already live in a country which regularly has all of its electricity gener

I'd like to have the choice not to. I have extremely limited options for that. And I already live in a country which regularly has all of its electricity generated renewably.

golergka 3y ago
You have all the choice in the world. If you want, you can literally go and do subsistence farming — there are plenty countries in the world with extremely lax visa situation and plenty of empty land. Of course, doing this would extremely hard and dangerous. But living an easier and safer life is the whole point of the industrial revolution and it's consequences, so if you truly believe that it's the disaster for the human race, this should not be a problem.
- macintux 3y ago
  Any meaningful impact has to come from governments, from large companies, and from huge numbers of concerned citizens. One person running off to live in the woods does nothing except make them miserable, or happy, or both.
  - pseg134 3y ago
    Well that is a convenient answer.
- worik 3y ago
  > You have all the choice in the world Untrue. Choices are very constrained. We are not isolated individuals, and we need our families and communities > If you want, you can literally go and do subsistence farming That would be very selfish. And wanting to place limits, short of infinity, on private wealth is not a vow of poverty > there are plenty countries in the world with extremely lax visa situation and plenty of empty land. No there are not!
chii 3y ago
> I'd like to have the choice not to. your choice can't be outcome based. i.e., you can't want to choose an option where you obtain the same electricity and energy and comforts, but with no pollution and with the same cost. Because such a choice never existed at the time, and will likely never exist until we discover fusion. Your choice was to just not consume. And you didnt take that choice.
YetAnotherNick 3y ago
Why don't you have the choice to not burn it if you are willing to pay the price? I can hardly think of anything for which there is no electric counterpart.
Aunche 3y ago
You can choose to join a hippie farming commune. You don't have a choice to force Jimbo to get rid of his F-350 and to not get mad at the government whenever gas or prices rise.
- worik 3y ago
  > You can choose to join a hippie farming commune. It is very difficult to reply to such a sentiment in a productive way I want to live in my community, I want my community to exist in peace until it changes, by natural evolution, into something unrecognizable, and to keep doing until the end of time True, I could abandon my community and go live in a monastery. Or I could gather up the greed heads and gun them down like dogs I choose neither I choose, chose, to do the work to change the world one Hacker News comment at a time....

I'd like to have the choice not to. I have extremely limited options for that. And I already live in a country which regularly has all of its electricity generated renewably.

golergka 3y ago

You have all the choice in the world. If you want, you can literally go and do subsistence farming — there are plenty countries in the world with extremely lax visa situation and plenty of empty land. Of course, doing this would extremely hard and dangerous. But living an easier and safer life is the whole point of the industrial revolution and it's consequences, so if you truly believe that it's the disaster for the human race, this should not be a problem.

macintux 3y ago
Any meaningful impact has to come from governments, from large companies, and from huge numbers of concerned citizens. One person running off to live in the woods does nothing except make them miserable, or happy, or both.
- pseg134 3y ago
  Well that is a convenient answer.
worik 3y ago
> You have all the choice in the world Untrue. Choices are very constrained. We are not isolated individuals, and we need our families and communities > If you want, you can literally go and do subsistence farming That would be very selfish. And wanting to place limits, short of infinity, on private wealth is not a vow of poverty > there are plenty countries in the world with extremely lax visa situation and plenty of empty land. No there are not!

chii 3y ago

> I'd like to have the choice not to. your choice can't be outcome based. i.e., you can't want to choose an option where you obtain the same electricity and energy and comforts, but with no pollution and with the same cost. Because such a choice never existed at the time, and will likely never exist until we discover fusion. Your choice was to just not consume. And you didnt take that choice.

YetAnotherNick 3y ago

Why don't you have the choice to not burn it if you are willing to pay the price? I can hardly think of anything for which there is no electric counterpart.

Aunche 3y ago

You can choose to join a hippie farming commune. You don't have a choice to force Jimbo to get rid of his F-350 and to not get mad at the government whenever gas or prices rise.

worik 3y ago
> You can choose to join a hippie farming commune. It is very difficult to reply to such a sentiment in a productive way I want to live in my community, I want my community to exist in peace until it changes, by natural evolution, into something unrecognizable, and to keep doing until the end of time True, I could abandon my community and go live in a monastery. Or I could gather up the greed heads and gun them down like dogs I choose neither I choose, chose, to do the work to change the world one Hacker News comment at a time....