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And people continue to blindly trust big pharma with their health. What other proof of deep corruption is needed?

dumbo-octopus 3y ago
Nah, people blindly trust "The Science". It's just that "The Science" happens to be funded by big pharma, and only releases results that are in line with what the boards of big pharma want people to think. Edit: and of course, any science besides "The Science" is "misinformation" and "conspiracy theories".
- p_j_w 3y ago
  You shouldn’t be getting your info from Brett Weinstein.
  - dumbo-octopus 3y ago
    To respond in good faith: please try to make an actual argument rather than resorting to an ad hominum. Elsewise you do nothing but prove my point further.
    - p_j_w 3y ago
      Im sorry, are you actually getting upset that someone responded to your snarky comment with snark? Get serious.
      - dumbo-octopus 3y ago
        Just trying to help you prove your point instead of mine :)
mattmaroon 3y ago
That’s a strange straw man i see often. People say this but I’ve yet to meet a single person who trusts big pharma. Anywhere. Who exactly are you referring to? I think many of us trust that the system of trials set up with first world regulatory agencies is a whole lot better than the previous method of vetting drugs (I.e. the snake oil method of most of human history). When I take a drug, there’s a high (but not 100%) chance it is not unsafe and is effective, relative to what would exist without regulation. And that’s about it. But even that is merely trust in the regulators to do a better job on the whole than no regulators. It’s got little to do with trusting pharma cos. All I trust them to do is maximize profits like any other corp and I don’t think anyone else trusts them any more.
ceejayoz 3y ago
I trust the FDA (and the rest of the developed world's equivalents; when one agency fails the others may still be of use, like with the 737-MAX and the FAA) regulatory process to some extent - they fairly regularly reject meds Big Pharma would really like to have approved - and I have a good relationship with my doctor who winds up doing the prescribing. One of my meds is $18k for a mililiter of fluid every 12 weeks, so I'd be happy to see some pricing reform.
pfisherman 3y ago
The skepticism should extend beyond big pharma to anyone trying to sell healthcare products or treatments. There is good reason for the Food, Drugs, and Cosmetics Act. What gets me is how people will distrust pharmaceutical companies - whose marketing claims are at least regulated by the FDA - and then blindly trust nutraceutical companies, random streamers (i.e. spon con), etc.
hulitu 3y ago
They also trust politicians. So nothing new here.

Nah, people blindly trust "The Science". It's just that "The Science" happens to be funded by big pharma, and only releases results that are in line with what the boards of big pharma want people to think. Edit: and of course, any science besides "The Science" is "misinformation" and "conspiracy theories".

p_j_w 3y ago
You shouldn’t be getting your info from Brett Weinstein.
- dumbo-octopus 3y ago
  To respond in good faith: please try to make an actual argument rather than resorting to an ad hominum. Elsewise you do nothing but prove my point further.
  - p_j_w 3y ago
    Im sorry, are you actually getting upset that someone responded to your snarky comment with snark? Get serious.
    - dumbo-octopus 3y ago
      Just trying to help you prove your point instead of mine :)

mattmaroon 3y ago

That’s a strange straw man i see often. People say this but I’ve yet to meet a single person who trusts big pharma. Anywhere. Who exactly are you referring to? I think many of us trust that the system of trials set up with first world regulatory agencies is a whole lot better than the previous method of vetting drugs (I.e. the snake oil method of most of human history). When I take a drug, there’s a high (but not 100%) chance it is not unsafe and is effective, relative to what would exist without regulation. And that’s about it. But even that is merely trust in the regulators to do a better job on the whole than no regulators. It’s got little to do with trusting pharma cos. All I trust them to do is maximize profits like any other corp and I don’t think anyone else trusts them any more.

ceejayoz 3y ago

I trust the FDA (and the rest of the developed world's equivalents; when one agency fails the others may still be of use, like with the 737-MAX and the FAA) regulatory process to some extent - they fairly regularly reject meds Big Pharma would really like to have approved - and I have a good relationship with my doctor who winds up doing the prescribing. One of my meds is $18k for a mililiter of fluid every 12 weeks, so I'd be happy to see some pricing reform.

pfisherman 3y ago

The skepticism should extend beyond big pharma to anyone trying to sell healthcare products or treatments. There is good reason for the Food, Drugs, and Cosmetics Act. What gets me is how people will distrust pharmaceutical companies - whose marketing claims are at least regulated by the FDA - and then blindly trust nutraceutical companies, random streamers (i.e. spon con), etc.

hulitu 3y ago

They also trust politicians. So nothing new here.