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One tidbit: Gurpatwant Singh Pannun, the target in this question, is claimed to be a CIA asset. Recently, he 'threatened to blast' Air India flights. Same group

One tidbit: Gurpatwant Singh Pannun, the target in this question, is claimed to be a CIA asset. Recently, he 'threatened to blast' Air India flights. Same group he associated with bombed Air India Flight 182 in 1995, killing 329 folks--and one Canadian security services agent was involved in this blast, that's why Canada sabotaged the investigation [1][2]. Another reason why Canada didn't help the post-blast investigation: victims are not white, and the key suspect in that blast was sought for extradition, but Trudeau's dad declined that extradition request because 'India only recognized Her Majesty as Head of the Commonwealth, and not as Head of State.'[3] Even some Indian security official claimed that Gurpatwant Singh Pannun is an American asset in a public forum. That's why he can openly call for bombing Indian flights without any repercussions whatsoever, because he is protected by CIA (therefore by FBI/DOJ). 'It is not for any other reason that Indian intelligence chief told the CIA Director that the only reason they don’t take action against SFJ’s G.S Pannun, who holds dual citizenship of US and Canada, for openly calling for assassinations of Indian diplomats and burning of Indian flag could be because he is actually a CIA agent and batting on behalf of Langley.' [4] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_India_Flight_182 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_India_Flight_182 [2] https://espionage.substack.com/p/canadian-intelligences-dirty-little-secret https://espionage.substack.com/p/canadian-intelligences-dirt... [3] https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/india/a-tale-of-two-trudeaus-and-canadas-mollycoddling-of-khalistani-terror/articleshow/103583278.cms https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/india/a-tale-of-tw... [4] https://www.hindustantimes.com/analysis/view-how-trudeau-s-allegations-over-nijjar-killing-exposes-western-double-standards-101695353685119.html https://www.hindustantimes.com/analysis/view-how-trudeau-s-a...

amriksohata 3y ago
Shocking the things he has said and got away with
shri_krishna 3y ago
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- catlover76 3y ago
  > Exactly. And you will find a lot of Khalistani shills here, in this very comment section, defending this Terror group Almost nobody on here gives a fuck about Khalistan or Sikh separatism, we just don't care for a) the kind of jingoistic attitude that you're exhibiting right now; b) a foreign country killing our citizenry. > The West should understand clearly that India will not tolerate Terror groups being harboured and protected in the West...We don't owe the West any explanation anymore. too big for britches. Your country is still fundamentally a third-world country that is reliant on commerce with richer nations. Most of its economic power comes from being really big; but it's not South Korea or Japan, which are successful and developed countries in deeper and more fundamental ways. > Like literally what is the difference left between a rogue state like Pakistan and US/Canada/UK etc if both are following the same script of harbouring Terrorists on its soil and refusing to extradite them on flimsy grounds? A third world country where the rule of law applies questionably does not get to decide whether a Canadian or American refusal to extradite is flimsy or not. And, for all its faults, Pakistan is not a "rogue" state.
  - shri_krishna 3y ago
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    - catlover76 3y ago
      > You are a Pakistani. I have one parent from India, one parent from Pakistan. I know them both well. They are both shithole countries whose populations have a misplaced, unearned, and arrogant sense of pride. India has a massive population living in poverty, and remains fairly backwards in a number of ways. It's not an impressive country. > First learn what "third-world" means. It is not what you think it means. Third-world means those countries who chose to remain non-aligned (part of the Non-Aligned Movement) during the Cold War Era. I am aware this is where the term originated from. But we both know quite well what it actually means in common parlance, and no amount of "but akshully" from you can change that. > India is going to be the next superpower after China whether you like it or not. We will exert our dominance to protect our interests whether you like it or not. If you don't like it you can go fuck yourself. This is tough talk for a country where people live in open sewers in major cities and which recently had to shut down some of those cities due to crisis-level pollution. India cannot compare to China. You can tell people to fuck themselves over the internet because it angers you that a number of people in this thread bursting your nationalist fantasy bubble and still consider your country a second-rate global actor and D-tier place to live, but at the end of the day we live in a country where the standard of living is simply not within India's reach any time soon, and whose success, in terms of economic dominance, and both soft and hard power, India will never be able to attain. > Yes it does and we will enforce it whether you like it or not. We will eliminate all terrorists on Western soil and we will do it with or without your approval. We have already done it in Canada. USA is not any different for us. I would love for the Indian government to be so extreme and reckless so as to keep doing it and force the West to reckon with the kind of country it is and impose some actual penalties--but we both know that India's government, even at their most brazen, are not as courageous as you are over the internet.
smoldesu 3y ago
So the right move was to brazenly assassinate this person instead of accusing them? If what you're saying is true, the Indian government stands to lose quite a bit by killing their strongest evidence of American intervention.
- raincom 3y ago
  Few things: (a) a sealed indictment wrt the plot against Pannun (b) India openly told CIA that Pannun is a CIA asset, that’s why he was not taken out (c) India wants this guy gone (d) Five eyes taps every diplomatic mission out there. See all these things in the recent Nijjar-Canada-India tussle. I believe both (b) and (c) are true. SIGINT(d) can hear the chatter that Indian diplomats talked about Pannun. Given the media is the lapdog of security agencies, we need more than (a) and what Bloomberg/NYtimes/Wapo/AP/FT says. That’s why I consider this saga as a manufactured consent. BTW, I’m not saying that Indian media is sacrosanct. There is a Punjabi gangs/politicians/khalistan/drug-trade/asylum-immigration-scam nexus.
  - smoldesu 3y ago
    Those accusations don't change much. I know United States attained Indian communications by using their deeply-integrated FIVE EYES backdoor to identify the collusion to Canada. They actually announced it in the original press release, presumably because it's not bad press relative to the other ways the United States abuses counterintel. The system is unfair, and I'm not acquitting the US of all responsibility here either. On a global stage though, it should be obvious that nobody cares about this surveillance. We all pay for it and use it every day, and upgrade to new surveillance phones when they come out. Trying to whip up an anti-FIVE EYES sentiment is an obvious ploy by incumbent Indian conservatives (that already control local media) to get things under the radar. America will never declassify the entire report because they never do; any "tip of the hand" would show the world how deep they run. Imagine the fallout if a supposedly "encrypted" channel like WhatsApp or iMessage was abused? It would be Armageddon on the market with the defense sector to blame. America never rolls like that. There is not a single country on this planet without disdain for superior surveillance, but it the ends are not going to be worth the means in this situation. You just leveled some pretty damning accusations at America; now all you need is evidence and a living diplomat to prosecute and you could prove your point.

amriksohata 3y ago

Shocking the things he has said and got away with

shri_krishna 3y ago

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catlover76 3y ago
> Exactly. And you will find a lot of Khalistani shills here, in this very comment section, defending this Terror group Almost nobody on here gives a fuck about Khalistan or Sikh separatism, we just don't care for a) the kind of jingoistic attitude that you're exhibiting right now; b) a foreign country killing our citizenry. > The West should understand clearly that India will not tolerate Terror groups being harboured and protected in the West...We don't owe the West any explanation anymore. too big for britches. Your country is still fundamentally a third-world country that is reliant on commerce with richer nations. Most of its economic power comes from being really big; but it's not South Korea or Japan, which are successful and developed countries in deeper and more fundamental ways. > Like literally what is the difference left between a rogue state like Pakistan and US/Canada/UK etc if both are following the same script of harbouring Terrorists on its soil and refusing to extradite them on flimsy grounds? A third world country where the rule of law applies questionably does not get to decide whether a Canadian or American refusal to extradite is flimsy or not. And, for all its faults, Pakistan is not a "rogue" state.
- shri_krishna 3y ago
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  - catlover76 3y ago
    > You are a Pakistani. I have one parent from India, one parent from Pakistan. I know them both well. They are both shithole countries whose populations have a misplaced, unearned, and arrogant sense of pride. India has a massive population living in poverty, and remains fairly backwards in a number of ways. It's not an impressive country. > First learn what "third-world" means. It is not what you think it means. Third-world means those countries who chose to remain non-aligned (part of the Non-Aligned Movement) during the Cold War Era. I am aware this is where the term originated from. But we both know quite well what it actually means in common parlance, and no amount of "but akshully" from you can change that. > India is going to be the next superpower after China whether you like it or not. We will exert our dominance to protect our interests whether you like it or not. If you don't like it you can go fuck yourself. This is tough talk for a country where people live in open sewers in major cities and which recently had to shut down some of those cities due to crisis-level pollution. India cannot compare to China. You can tell people to fuck themselves over the internet because it angers you that a number of people in this thread bursting your nationalist fantasy bubble and still consider your country a second-rate global actor and D-tier place to live, but at the end of the day we live in a country where the standard of living is simply not within India's reach any time soon, and whose success, in terms of economic dominance, and both soft and hard power, India will never be able to attain. > Yes it does and we will enforce it whether you like it or not. We will eliminate all terrorists on Western soil and we will do it with or without your approval. We have already done it in Canada. USA is not any different for us. I would love for the Indian government to be so extreme and reckless so as to keep doing it and force the West to reckon with the kind of country it is and impose some actual penalties--but we both know that India's government, even at their most brazen, are not as courageous as you are over the internet.

smoldesu 3y ago

So the right move was to brazenly assassinate this person instead of accusing them? If what you're saying is true, the Indian government stands to lose quite a bit by killing their strongest evidence of American intervention.

raincom 3y ago
Few things: (a) a sealed indictment wrt the plot against Pannun (b) India openly told CIA that Pannun is a CIA asset, that’s why he was not taken out (c) India wants this guy gone (d) Five eyes taps every diplomatic mission out there. See all these things in the recent Nijjar-Canada-India tussle. I believe both (b) and (c) are true. SIGINT(d) can hear the chatter that Indian diplomats talked about Pannun. Given the media is the lapdog of security agencies, we need more than (a) and what Bloomberg/NYtimes/Wapo/AP/FT says. That’s why I consider this saga as a manufactured consent. BTW, I’m not saying that Indian media is sacrosanct. There is a Punjabi gangs/politicians/khalistan/drug-trade/asylum-immigration-scam nexus.
- smoldesu 3y ago
  Those accusations don't change much. I know United States attained Indian communications by using their deeply-integrated FIVE EYES backdoor to identify the collusion to Canada. They actually announced it in the original press release, presumably because it's not bad press relative to the other ways the United States abuses counterintel. The system is unfair, and I'm not acquitting the US of all responsibility here either. On a global stage though, it should be obvious that nobody cares about this surveillance. We all pay for it and use it every day, and upgrade to new surveillance phones when they come out. Trying to whip up an anti-FIVE EYES sentiment is an obvious ploy by incumbent Indian conservatives (that already control local media) to get things under the radar. America will never declassify the entire report because they never do; any "tip of the hand" would show the world how deep they run. Imagine the fallout if a supposedly "encrypted" channel like WhatsApp or iMessage was abused? It would be Armageddon on the market with the defense sector to blame. America never rolls like that. There is not a single country on this planet without disdain for superior surveillance, but it the ends are not going to be worth the means in this situation. You just leveled some pretty damning accusations at America; now all you need is evidence and a living diplomat to prosecute and you could prove your point.