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> One of those people whose career Altman helped propel was Ilya Sutskever, chief scientist and board member at OpenAI — the person who ultimately fired him. I

> One of those people whose career Altman helped propel was Ilya Sutskever, chief scientist and board member at OpenAI — the person who ultimately fired him. Ilya was plenty successful before OpenAI and would've been just fine without Altman helping to "propel" his career.

dishwashing 3y ago
This statement about Ilya seems just ridiculous to me. Ilya was one of the people who created all these ML/Deep Learning hype with the "ImageNet moment". I don't care much about all this VC stuff, but before 2023, Ilya seemed to me much more famous than Sam.
- VeejayRampay 3y ago
  Sam is the entrepreneur / vision guy so he gets all the love here as opposed to the actual tech guy It's modern Jobs / Wozniak and Hacker News, despite the name, is ultimately fan service for the archetype of the former, not the latter
himaraya 3y ago
Indicative that many sources still come from Sam's camp
screye 3y ago
HAHA, I know. Ilya, a nobody who wrote the most seminal paper of the last 10 years. The guy that Eric Schmidt and Elon broke their friendship over was just a random nobody. Come on. It is no secret that when OpenAI formed, every single researcher joined so they could work with Ilya (and Zaremba who worked with him, but was less famous). Greg is brilliant but ML people didn't care for him and Sam 'one of those VC guys'. A lot of their best hires had already worked in Ilya/Zaremba before they joined OpenAI. OpenAI might have moved past needing Ilya's brilliance to innovate, but if anyone gets to claim that they 'made' OpenAI, it is Ilya.
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- siva7 3y ago
  and your source for this story is?
- ncann 3y ago
  What's that about with Eric Schmidt, Elon and Ilya?
  - screye 3y ago
    Correction, it was Larry Page (close enough), Elon and Ilya. Source - https://youtu.be/7nORLckDnmg?si=1T5qyYAdPrMwsEGG&t=73 https://youtu.be/7nORLckDnmg?si=1T5qyYAdPrMwsEGG&t=73
adrr 3y ago
Why did he sign the letter and post: >I deeply regret my participation in the board's actions. I never intended to harm OpenAI. I love everything we've built together and I will do everything I can to reunite the company.
- jstarfish 3y ago
  When you take a shot at someone influential and miss, falling on your own sword is a kinder fate than what will happen when they turn your direction.
  - adrr 3y ago
    Did he miss? Sam was fired.
    - jstarfish 3y ago
      This subthread isn't about the article; we're on a tangent about OpenAI. He was fired [at] and didn't die. Now he's back, and looking for revenge.
      - adrr 3y ago
        Board hired him back. They could have said no and stuck to their guns. No shareholders to give them the boot.
        adastra22 3y ago
        Then they’d be falling on their own swords. Literally the whole company was ready to walk away. Never in history has that ever happened, as far as I know.
        jstarfish 3y ago
        It's actually pretty typical for coups/mutinies. Your position is challenged by military brass, so you imprison/execute them. Anyone charismatic enough to take you on is going to have been popular with the soldiers, so now a heavily-armed mob with tanks and artillery is pissed at you. Now you have two problems, with only two solutions-- eat some shit and hope to make peace, or die. Putin played it safe in flipping the script-- negotiate surrender, appear to resolve the dispute peacefully, then stage an "accident" of the rabblerouser once tensions are lower. Cooler heads always prevail.
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p_j_w 3y ago
It seems obvious that tech media are largely not even close to neutral here. Most everything coming out feels manipulative as hell. I don’t know why anyone thinks they have a clear story of what’s happening here.
- whyenot 3y ago
  > tech media are largely not even close to neutral here I don't find that surprising at all. Many of those reporting are highly dependent on "access journalism." I suspect it's pretty hard to be neutral when if you piss off the wrong people they will cut you off.

dishwashing 3y ago

This statement about Ilya seems just ridiculous to me. Ilya was one of the people who created all these ML/Deep Learning hype with the "ImageNet moment". I don't care much about all this VC stuff, but before 2023, Ilya seemed to me much more famous than Sam.

VeejayRampay 3y ago
Sam is the entrepreneur / vision guy so he gets all the love here as opposed to the actual tech guy It's modern Jobs / Wozniak and Hacker News, despite the name, is ultimately fan service for the archetype of the former, not the latter

himaraya 3y ago

Indicative that many sources still come from Sam's camp

screye 3y ago

HAHA, I know. Ilya, a nobody who wrote the most seminal paper of the last 10 years. The guy that Eric Schmidt and Elon broke their friendship over was just a random nobody. Come on. It is no secret that when OpenAI formed, every single researcher joined so they could work with Ilya (and Zaremba who worked with him, but was less famous). Greg is brilliant but ML people didn't care for him and Sam 'one of those VC guys'. A lot of their best hires had already worked in Ilya/Zaremba before they joined OpenAI. OpenAI might have moved past needing Ilya's brilliance to innovate, but if anyone gets to claim that they 'made' OpenAI, it is Ilya.

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siva7 3y ago
and your source for this story is?
ncann 3y ago
What's that about with Eric Schmidt, Elon and Ilya?
- screye 3y ago
  Correction, it was Larry Page (close enough), Elon and Ilya. Source - https://youtu.be/7nORLckDnmg?si=1T5qyYAdPrMwsEGG&t=73 https://youtu.be/7nORLckDnmg?si=1T5qyYAdPrMwsEGG&t=73

adrr 3y ago

Why did he sign the letter and post: >I deeply regret my participation in the board's actions. I never intended to harm OpenAI. I love everything we've built together and I will do everything I can to reunite the company.

jstarfish 3y ago
When you take a shot at someone influential and miss, falling on your own sword is a kinder fate than what will happen when they turn your direction.
- adrr 3y ago
  Did he miss? Sam was fired.
  - jstarfish 3y ago
    This subthread isn't about the article; we're on a tangent about OpenAI. He was fired [at] and didn't die. Now he's back, and looking for revenge.
    - adrr 3y ago
      Board hired him back. They could have said no and stuck to their guns. No shareholders to give them the boot.
      - adastra22 3y ago
        Then they’d be falling on their own swords. Literally the whole company was ready to walk away. Never in history has that ever happened, as far as I know.
        jstarfish 3y ago
        It's actually pretty typical for coups/mutinies. Your position is challenged by military brass, so you imprison/execute them. Anyone charismatic enough to take you on is going to have been popular with the soldiers, so now a heavily-armed mob with tanks and artillery is pissed at you. Now you have two problems, with only two solutions-- eat some shit and hope to make peace, or die. Putin played it safe in flipping the script-- negotiate surrender, appear to resolve the dispute peacefully, then stage an "accident" of the rabblerouser once tensions are lower. Cooler heads always prevail.

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p_j_w 3y ago

It seems obvious that tech media are largely not even close to neutral here. Most everything coming out feels manipulative as hell. I don’t know why anyone thinks they have a clear story of what’s happening here.

whyenot 3y ago
> tech media are largely not even close to neutral here I don't find that surprising at all. Many of those reporting are highly dependent on "access journalism." I suspect it's pretty hard to be neutral when if you piss off the wrong people they will cut you off.