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This is an absurd argument that you are just making for the sake of argument and you know it. There's a difference between someone getting things wrong and a LL
by vore 3y ago
This is an absurd argument that you are just making for the sake of argument and you know it. There's a difference between someone getting things wrong and a LLM shamelessly making something up out of the whole cloth.
- WendyTheWillow 3y agoNo; I'm much more confident in ChatGPT's accuracy than I am in a random podcast's accuracy. Podcasts tend to be relatively terrible, accuracy wise. If the alternative is learning from ChatGPT, your odds of getting correct information is substantially higher. Podcasts are entertaining! But not where I would go to learn anything.
- apwell23 3y agowhy are you forced to listen to "random" podcasts vs podcasts by people you trust? This argument is so dishonest its infuriating.
- WendyTheWillow 3y agoTrust is not a rational behavior, nor is it indicative of reliability of fact.
- apwell23 3y agoSure but that doesn't make it "random" . I don't get why top comment was listening to podcasts knowing full well that you will be given possibly inaccurate facts. I have hard time accepting that podcasts are audible wikipedia, such a strange take is top voted comment.
- WendyTheWillow 3y agoI listen to podcasts; they’re fun! But I am comfortable operating with incomplete information, and thus know how to treat a low quality source. I also chat with LLMs to better understand topics, and am better off than the folks here who can’t do that as a result. The main thing I’m getting from this discussion is that a lot more very smart people seem to have deluded themselves into thinking knowledge is objective or “locked in” than I had initially realized. The desire for certainty is an extremely human thing, but it’s a dead end, intellectually.
- apwell23 3y agoyea exactly "chatgpt replaced my podcasts" is kind of silly. People don't listen to joe rogan experience to learn facts about how particular jiu jitsu choke works. I don't know what kind of podcasts op replaced with chatgpt but i call BS .
- Martinussen 3y agoListen to better podcasts. :P
- WendyTheWillow 3y agoIt's a mistake to listen to a podcast to learn important information.
- 4ggr0 3y agoThat's just like, your opinion, man. There are podcasts for almost every topic where experts are present. Journalists, Scientists, Activists, Researchers etc. can be heard in podcasts, I don't really see why it's generally a mistake to listen to a podcast to learn important information. During the pandemic my partner was attending university from home and listening to their professors via MS Teams, these classes were also recorded so that they could listen to them at a later point. In some ways that's just a professional podcast.
- WendyTheWillow 3y agoI think you know that isn’t a podcast in the sense that we’re discussing. And depending on the class and the institution, I may still trust ChatGPT more than what gets taught.
- 4ggr0 3y agoOf course the part about university classes is different, but you seem to ignore everything else I've said. There are tons of podcasts involving experts talking about their field of expertise, how can it be a mistake to listen to such podcasts to gather information?
- WendyTheWillow 3y agoIt’s a mistake because what drives podcasts are their popularity, not their accuracy. There is no “sort by accuracy” button in any podcasting app, nor are they peer reviewed. Furthermore, podcasts are not a review of the body of knowledge on a subject; they’re often a complete layperson interviewing a single member of a given field, at best. Almost never do the views of any individual actually represent any field as a whole. So once we’ve thrown out the concept of accuracy and completeness, ChatGPT fares exceedingly well in comparison. You’d do much worse than ChatGPT for idle conversation level accuracy.
- Taurenking 3y ago[dead]
- numpad0 3y agoProblem with ChatGPT isn't that they get facts wrong, but that they're what the categorical name suggests, large language models. At one point I came across this series of "are CJK languages related" questions in Quora with cached ChatGPT responses[1], all grammatically correct and very natural, largely turboencabulators, sometimes contradicting even within a single response. Podcasters? They're not _this_ inconsistent. 1: https://imgur.com/a/7tlNDll https://imgur.com/a/7tlNDll
- Last5Digits 3y agoBe aware that you're talking about Quora's implementation of ChatGPT here. As far as I know, the cached answers were generated with an incredibly outdated version, which is definitely not indicative of its current quality. Even worse, I think they actually prime it with answers already posted on the thread, or even just related threads. For example, one of the answers to the first question mentions the same Altaic root as ChatGPTs answer, and I've found multiple people that are seeing their own rephrased answers in the response. If you preprompt ChatGPT with questionable data, then the answer quality will be massively degraded. I've noticed many times now that Bing will rephrase incorrect information or construct a very shallow summary out of unrelated articles when internet searches are allowed, but is able to generate a cohesive and detailed summary when they're disabled. Throwing random answers - some contradicting each other and some talking about subtly different aspects of the topic - into a session without further guidance just isn't a great idea.
- kaszanka 3y agoWhat's the issue with the answer for "Are Korean and Chinese mutually intelligible"? The highlighted part is definitely true, at least.
- numpad0 3y agoThat part is correct, but not consistent with others. My problem is not that GPTs are too often wrong, it's that they always prioritize syntax over facts since they are _language_ models. The sentence "Colorless green ideas" always make more sense to LLM than "Water is wet", simply because the latter is syntactically invalid, and that would be problematic for many use cases including Podcast replacement. Sometimes us humans want AI to say "water is definitively wet", and that has been attempted by forcing LLM to accept that factoids are more syntactically correct, but that isn't a solution and it's still an architectural problem for these pseudo-AGI apps.
- codethief 3y agoSlightly off-topic/meta but this debate reminds me of one people had 20 years ago: Should you trust stuff you read on Wikipedia or not? In the beginning people were skeptical but over time, as Wikipedia matured, the answer has become (I think): Don't blindly trust what you read on Wikipedia but in most cases it's sufficiently accurate as a starting point for further investigation. In fact, I would argue people do trust Wikipedia to a rather high degree these days, sometimes without questioning. Or at least I know I do, whether I want to or not, because I'm so used to Wikipedia being correct. I'm wondering what this means for the future of LLMs: Will we also start trusting them more and more?
- akho 3y agoIs there a similar difference between an LLM getting things wrong and someone shamelessly making something up out of the whole cloth? That's closer to what actually happens.
- JW_00000 3y agoI'm pretty sure that in the podcasts I listen to, no one is shamelessly making something up completely.
- colechristensen 3y agoThe kinds of mistakes an LLM makes aren’t nearly as bad as the kind of nonsense you can find humans saying, particularly in podcasts.
- Fatnino 3y agoPodcasts make stuff up from thin air all the time. Sometimes even maliciously.