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OAI looks stronger than ever. The untrustworthy bits that caused all this instability over the last 5 days have been ditched into the sea. Care to expand on you

OAI looks stronger than ever. The untrustworthy bits that caused all this instability over the last 5 days have been ditched into the sea. Care to expand on your claim?

neta1337 3y ago
Please explain your claim as well. I don’t see how this company looks stronger than ever, more like a clown company
- TapWaterBandit 3y ago
  They got rid of the clowns though. They went from having a board with lightweights and insiders to what at least initially is a strong initial 3.
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- ilikehurdles 3y ago
  I may have been overly eager in my comment because the big bad downside of the new board is none of the founders are on it. I hope the current membership sees reason and fixes this issue. But I said this because: They've retained the entire company, reinstated its founder as CEO, and replaced an activist clown board with a professional, experienced, and possibly* unified one. Still remains to be seen how the board membership and overall org structure changes, but I have much more trust in the current 3 members steering OpenAI toward long-term success.
  - MVissers 3y ago
    If by “long-term-success” you mean a capitalistic lap-dog of microsoft, I’ll agree. It seems that the safety team within OpenAI lost. My biggest fear with this whole AI thing is hostile takeover, and openAI was best positioned to at least do an effort to prevent that. Now, I’m not so sure anymore.
- GreedClarifies 3y ago
  It was a clown board running an awesome company. They fixed the glitch.
6gvONxR4sf7o 3y ago
> The untrustworthy bits that caused all this instability over the last 5 days have been ditched into the sea This whole thing started with Altman pushing a safety oriented non-profit into a tense contradiction (edit: I mean the 2019-2022 gpt3/chatgpt for-profit stuff that led to all the Anthropic people leaving). The most recent timeline was - Altman tries to push out another board member - That board member escalates by pushing Altman out (and Brockman off the board) - Altman's side escalates by saying they'll nuke the company Altman's side won, but how can we say that his side didn't cause any of this instability?
- ilikehurdles 3y ago
  > Altman tries to push out another board member That event wasn't some unprovoked start of this history. > That board member escalates by pushing Altman out (and Brockman off the board) and the entire company retaliated. Then this board member tried to sell the company to a competitor who refused. In the meantime the board went through two interim CEOs who refused to play along with this scheme. In the meantime one of the people who voted to fire the CEO regretted it publicly within 24 hours. That's a clown car of a board. It reflects the quality of most non-profit boards but not of organizations that actually execute well.
  - emptysongglass 3y ago
    Something that's been fairly consistent here on HN throughout the debacle has been an almost fanatical defense of the board's actions as justified. The board was incompetent. It will go down in the history books as one of the biggest blunders of a board in history. If you want to take drastic action, you consult with your biggest partner keeping the lights on before you do so. Helen Toner and Tasha McCauley had no business being on this board. Even if you had safety concerns in mind, you don't bypass everyone else with a stake in the future of your business because you're feeling petulant.
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OAI looks stronger than ever. The untrustworthy bits that caused all this instability over the last 5 days have been ditched into the sea. Care to expand on your claim?

neta1337 3y ago

Please explain your claim as well. I don’t see how this company looks stronger than ever, more like a clown company

TapWaterBandit 3y ago
They got rid of the clowns though. They went from having a board with lightweights and insiders to what at least initially is a strong initial 3.
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ilikehurdles 3y ago
I may have been overly eager in my comment because the big bad downside of the new board is none of the founders are on it. I hope the current membership sees reason and fixes this issue. But I said this because: They've retained the entire company, reinstated its founder as CEO, and replaced an activist clown board with a professional, experienced, and possibly* unified one. Still remains to be seen how the board membership and overall org structure changes, but I have much more trust in the current 3 members steering OpenAI toward long-term success.
- MVissers 3y ago
  If by “long-term-success” you mean a capitalistic lap-dog of microsoft, I’ll agree. It seems that the safety team within OpenAI lost. My biggest fear with this whole AI thing is hostile takeover, and openAI was best positioned to at least do an effort to prevent that. Now, I’m not so sure anymore.
GreedClarifies 3y ago
It was a clown board running an awesome company. They fixed the glitch.

6gvONxR4sf7o 3y ago

> The untrustworthy bits that caused all this instability over the last 5 days have been ditched into the sea This whole thing started with Altman pushing a safety oriented non-profit into a tense contradiction (edit: I mean the 2019-2022 gpt3/chatgpt for-profit stuff that led to all the Anthropic people leaving). The most recent timeline was - Altman tries to push out another board member - That board member escalates by pushing Altman out (and Brockman off the board) - Altman's side escalates by saying they'll nuke the company Altman's side won, but how can we say that his side didn't cause any of this instability?

ilikehurdles 3y ago
> Altman tries to push out another board member That event wasn't some unprovoked start of this history. > That board member escalates by pushing Altman out (and Brockman off the board) and the entire company retaliated. Then this board member tried to sell the company to a competitor who refused. In the meantime the board went through two interim CEOs who refused to play along with this scheme. In the meantime one of the people who voted to fire the CEO regretted it publicly within 24 hours. That's a clown car of a board. It reflects the quality of most non-profit boards but not of organizations that actually execute well.
- emptysongglass 3y ago
  Something that's been fairly consistent here on HN throughout the debacle has been an almost fanatical defense of the board's actions as justified. The board was incompetent. It will go down in the history books as one of the biggest blunders of a board in history. If you want to take drastic action, you consult with your biggest partner keeping the lights on before you do so. Helen Toner and Tasha McCauley had no business being on this board. Even if you had safety concerns in mind, you don't bypass everyone else with a stake in the future of your business because you're feeling petulant.
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