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is your time that cheap though?

_Algernon_ 3y ago
I already have docker / docker-compose installed for development purposes, so in my case it was literally running git clone ..., then docker-compose up -d. Considering this is about losing 5 seconds lost for every video being watched on youtube, I am pretty sure this time investment would amortize in <1 month of yt watching. Do you show the same concern for how cheap the time is for the people spending their time bitching on reddit / HN / twitter about this issue for weeks on end?
CamperBob2 3y ago
A lot of people seem to think so, consider how they will spend hours trying to avoid paying $30 a month or whatever to get rid of the ads and support the creators.
- pixxel 3y ago
  It’s amazing how much time corporate white knights spend jumping into every adblock thread. This used to be Hacker News.
  - geodel 3y ago
    Yep, Hacker News in past. Now it is more like Freeloader News by Ethical Champions of our times.
  - CamperBob2 3y ago
    I often post the same complaint ("What happened to all the hackers?"), but endlessly posting "Script X doesn't work with browser Y, now I'm forced to view ads, somebody do something," isn't hacking.
- shrimp_emoji 3y ago
  I think money is the root of all evil. I think money ruins things that it touches, and the things that are made in pursuit of money, especially in today's computerized world, will be predatory and exploitative. The Internet used to be for hobbyists, making content out of passion in addition to having actual jobs (sort of like free software). But then they made content creation their jobs. Then the platforms got "professionalized". Now, content creators have to be professional eggshell dancers while the consumers are trapped in mind prisons where advertisers have the keys. We're now cattle in some corporate money printing machine, of which the creators are hapless contractors. That's never what I signed up for. I didn't ask the creators to do this for money. I never opted into the game their playing (I also didn't read the EULA ;D). I also wouldn't pay money for Asmongold's 500th "IS THIS THE NEXT POGGERS MMO?" video (but I will watch it for free for like 15 seconds, then question my life choices and close it before watching some better video for free). So I don't care. As far as I'm concerned, they should go back to being hobbyists, get real jobs for their livelihood, and the Internet should be demonetized.
  - lotsofpulp 3y ago
    Money itself does not do anything. Required is a human’s ego and desire to compete, possibly to improve probabilities of landing a specific mate? Or maybe just securing certain resources?
    - _Algernon_ 3y ago
      Saying that money itself does not do anything is a truism. Money is a tool to get people to do something that they don't want to do otherwise. That's all it is. All trade is fundamentally a person who has a thing and doesn't want to give it up giving it up in exchange for money. Labor is the same with a persons time. There are plenty of instances where the thing you get someone to do is "evil": bribes, assassinations, creating and distributing propaganda, having people fight in unjust wars, etc. While it is unlikely that most money is used to cause "evil" acts, it is very likely that most "evil" acts occur due to money changing hands.
      - lotsofpulp 3y ago
        > All trade is fundamentally a person who has a thing and doesn't want to give it up giving it up in exchange for money. Labor is the same with a persons time. I disagree. What is a farmer going to do with 100 bushels of wheat? What is an oil producer going to do with 1 million gallons of oil? Trade happens (much of the time) because a person who has Thing A would rather have Thing B and is willing to give up Thing A for it. And person with Thing B would rather have Thing A and is willing to give up Thing B for it. And money is the technology that enables this exchange to happen more quickly and easily. >While it is unlikely that most money is used to cause "evil" acts, it is very likely that most "evil" acts occur due to money changing hands. This has nothing to do with money or trade. A bushel of wheat or barrel of oil could have changed hands instead of money. The evil act occurred because someone wanted it to occur, and it could occurred with or without a trade.
travoc 3y ago
You actually save time by being purposeful about what videos you watch and not getting sucked into algorithmic addiction cycles.
- CodeWriter23 3y ago
  Well, that, and probably also by not watching ads.
- Ballas 3y ago
  I set up an Invidious instance and cannot believe how much less garbage content I consume.
broken-kebab 3y ago
It depends on ones experience, but a script which runs yt-dl shouldn't take much time. And as a side note I'd argue that constantly counting your time as money loss may lead to neurosis. Some digital housekeeping can be pleasantly distracting from work, while also making your computer environment more comfortable.
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maxglute 3y ago
Get a little dopamine hit everytime one remembers what a sweet deal or setup they have. Conversely, feels bad to pay for convenience on conditions one objects to. It's like when deal hunters spend undue effort to save some money on frequently used items or services that will get used for years. Does dollar equivalent in effort to save get amortized over time? Frequently, but not always. But the satisfaction of knowing you got one over the dealer keeps on paying for itself.

I already have docker / docker-compose installed for development purposes, so in my case it was literally running git clone ..., then docker-compose up -d. Considering this is about losing 5 seconds lost for every video being watched on youtube, I am pretty sure this time investment would amortize in <1 month of yt watching. Do you show the same concern for how cheap the time is for the people spending their time bitching on reddit / HN / twitter about this issue for weeks on end?

CamperBob2 3y ago

A lot of people seem to think so, consider how they will spend hours trying to avoid paying $30 a month or whatever to get rid of the ads and support the creators.

pixxel 3y ago
It’s amazing how much time corporate white knights spend jumping into every adblock thread. This used to be Hacker News.
- geodel 3y ago
  Yep, Hacker News in past. Now it is more like Freeloader News by Ethical Champions of our times.
- CamperBob2 3y ago
  I often post the same complaint ("What happened to all the hackers?"), but endlessly posting "Script X doesn't work with browser Y, now I'm forced to view ads, somebody do something," isn't hacking.
shrimp_emoji 3y ago
I think money is the root of all evil. I think money ruins things that it touches, and the things that are made in pursuit of money, especially in today's computerized world, will be predatory and exploitative. The Internet used to be for hobbyists, making content out of passion in addition to having actual jobs (sort of like free software). But then they made content creation their jobs. Then the platforms got "professionalized". Now, content creators have to be professional eggshell dancers while the consumers are trapped in mind prisons where advertisers have the keys. We're now cattle in some corporate money printing machine, of which the creators are hapless contractors. That's never what I signed up for. I didn't ask the creators to do this for money. I never opted into the game their playing (I also didn't read the EULA ;D). I also wouldn't pay money for Asmongold's 500th "IS THIS THE NEXT POGGERS MMO?" video (but I will watch it for free for like 15 seconds, then question my life choices and close it before watching some better video for free). So I don't care. As far as I'm concerned, they should go back to being hobbyists, get real jobs for their livelihood, and the Internet should be demonetized.
- lotsofpulp 3y ago
  Money itself does not do anything. Required is a human’s ego and desire to compete, possibly to improve probabilities of landing a specific mate? Or maybe just securing certain resources?
  - _Algernon_ 3y ago
    Saying that money itself does not do anything is a truism. Money is a tool to get people to do something that they don't want to do otherwise. That's all it is. All trade is fundamentally a person who has a thing and doesn't want to give it up giving it up in exchange for money. Labor is the same with a persons time. There are plenty of instances where the thing you get someone to do is "evil": bribes, assassinations, creating and distributing propaganda, having people fight in unjust wars, etc. While it is unlikely that most money is used to cause "evil" acts, it is very likely that most "evil" acts occur due to money changing hands.
    - lotsofpulp 3y ago
      > All trade is fundamentally a person who has a thing and doesn't want to give it up giving it up in exchange for money. Labor is the same with a persons time. I disagree. What is a farmer going to do with 100 bushels of wheat? What is an oil producer going to do with 1 million gallons of oil? Trade happens (much of the time) because a person who has Thing A would rather have Thing B and is willing to give up Thing A for it. And person with Thing B would rather have Thing A and is willing to give up Thing B for it. And money is the technology that enables this exchange to happen more quickly and easily. >While it is unlikely that most money is used to cause "evil" acts, it is very likely that most "evil" acts occur due to money changing hands. This has nothing to do with money or trade. A bushel of wheat or barrel of oil could have changed hands instead of money. The evil act occurred because someone wanted it to occur, and it could occurred with or without a trade.

travoc 3y ago

You actually save time by being purposeful about what videos you watch and not getting sucked into algorithmic addiction cycles.

CodeWriter23 3y ago
Well, that, and probably also by not watching ads.
Ballas 3y ago
I set up an Invidious instance and cannot believe how much less garbage content I consume.

broken-kebab 3y ago

It depends on ones experience, but a script which runs yt-dl shouldn't take much time. And as a side note I'd argue that constantly counting your time as money loss may lead to neurosis. Some digital housekeeping can be pleasantly distracting from work, while also making your computer environment more comfortable.

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maxglute 3y ago

Get a little dopamine hit everytime one remembers what a sweet deal or setup they have. Conversely, feels bad to pay for convenience on conditions one objects to. It's like when deal hunters spend undue effort to save some money on frequently used items or services that will get used for years. Does dollar equivalent in effort to save get amortized over time? Frequently, but not always. But the satisfaction of knowing you got one over the dealer keeps on paying for itself.