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Its supercharging the worst in everything its applied to. Try getting a job right now. All of the automated systems that are doing screening will throw you out

by miah_ 3y ago

Its supercharging the worst in everything its applied to. Try getting a job right now. All of the automated systems that are doing screening will throw you out if you aren't 100% compatible with whatever they're looking for. Sure, its cheaper than human screening, but now you've got a position not filled for even longer, which is probably costing you in other ways.

apwell23 3y ago
> screening will throw you out if you aren't 100% compatible with whatever they're looking for how does one know if this it the reason they are being thrown out.
- lordnacho 3y ago
  You make up a CV that exactly matches the job advert and see whether there's a response
  - sevagh 3y ago
    This doesn't rule out that there were enough good or "better" applicants that crowded yours out.
    - lordnacho 3y ago
      Of course it does, you send a few of these perfect CVs and see what happens.
  - apwell23 3y ago
    Why would a human also not choose a perfect CV over other options. What does this prove about AI.
    - avgDev 3y ago
      Human can look at a CV which doesn't match but say I like what this person has done, learning our stack should be no big deal.
    - quickthrower2 3y ago
      You want a perfect candidate not a perfect CV. A perfect CV is highly likely to have lies and was made up based on the job ad, addressing every single requirement bullet.
      - RajT88 3y ago
        Even without the lies, you can meet every single bullet point and still be a worse fit than someone who doesn't match every single bullet point. Maybe the gal or guy who fits every bullet point has a long career and quite broad knowledge. Maybe the gal or guy who doesn't fit every single bullet point is much smarter, a much harder worker with far more grit, and a quick learner. You end up hiring the first person who may be mediocre, and missing out on the second who may be a super high performer.
      - apwell23 3y ago
        > A perfect CV is highly likely to have lies and was made up based on the job ad, addressing every single requirement bullet. Wouldn't "AI" also know this though. I would imagine AI is doing more than keyword match type stuff.
      - antisthenes 3y ago
        If I sent out completely truthful CVs, I'd still be working a $15/hr data entry job or whatever. Obviously you can't fake it forever if you don't have the skills to back it up, but the reason people lie and embellish on CVs is because they know they are reasonably fast learners, so any skills mismatch can be quickly adjusted while on the job. Easier to ask for forgiveness than permission, etc. etc. This pretty much became a necessity since ~2005, when IT demand skyrocketed and became mainstream and automatic candidate rejection and filtering became pervasive
- poidos 3y ago
  You can never precisely be sure, but here are some of the behaviors I’ve been observing that give me the feeling I was auto-rejected: - rejection coming in nearly instantly - rejection coming at “odd” times — weekend evenings, 3 AM in my time zone for a company in my time zone The latter one doesn’t hold up too well for remote-first companies but I would hope few tech firms have recruiting staff going through applications on weekends.
  - FireBeyond 3y ago
    Yup. I applied for a PM position, within 20 minutes of it going up. Quite a specific one: "'expert level' health insurance system knowledge and experience integrating between multiple EHR vendors and partners'". I have all of this. Have built claims benefits management systems being used by some household names in healthcare. I'm an expert in EPIC, Cerner, ESOsuite EHR systems. 10 minutes later: "we are looking for someone whose skillset and experience better aligns with our requirements and the position". I guess my resume needed more buzzwords.
siva7 3y ago
I guess it hurts less if you can blame ai?
NovemberWhiskey 3y ago
As a hiring manager, based on the average candidate that gets forwarded to me after presumably several rounds of filtering (some mechanical, some human), the idea that there is some kind of smart matching going on is slightly ridiculous: they can't tell a security-focused software developer resume from an assurance-focused security specialist, for example.
Eumenes 3y ago
AI isn't scanning job applications lol ... lazy recruiters can't review them fast enough.

by miah_ 3y ago

apwell23 3y ago

> screening will throw you out if you aren't 100% compatible with whatever they're looking for how does one know if this it the reason they are being thrown out.

lordnacho 3y ago
You make up a CV that exactly matches the job advert and see whether there's a response
- sevagh 3y ago
  This doesn't rule out that there were enough good or "better" applicants that crowded yours out.
  - lordnacho 3y ago
    Of course it does, you send a few of these perfect CVs and see what happens.
- apwell23 3y ago
  Why would a human also not choose a perfect CV over other options. What does this prove about AI.
  - avgDev 3y ago
    Human can look at a CV which doesn't match but say I like what this person has done, learning our stack should be no big deal.
  - quickthrower2 3y ago
    You want a perfect candidate not a perfect CV. A perfect CV is highly likely to have lies and was made up based on the job ad, addressing every single requirement bullet.
    - RajT88 3y ago
      Even without the lies, you can meet every single bullet point and still be a worse fit than someone who doesn't match every single bullet point. Maybe the gal or guy who fits every bullet point has a long career and quite broad knowledge. Maybe the gal or guy who doesn't fit every single bullet point is much smarter, a much harder worker with far more grit, and a quick learner. You end up hiring the first person who may be mediocre, and missing out on the second who may be a super high performer.
    - apwell23 3y ago
      > A perfect CV is highly likely to have lies and was made up based on the job ad, addressing every single requirement bullet. Wouldn't "AI" also know this though. I would imagine AI is doing more than keyword match type stuff.
    - antisthenes 3y ago
      If I sent out completely truthful CVs, I'd still be working a $15/hr data entry job or whatever. Obviously you can't fake it forever if you don't have the skills to back it up, but the reason people lie and embellish on CVs is because they know they are reasonably fast learners, so any skills mismatch can be quickly adjusted while on the job. Easier to ask for forgiveness than permission, etc. etc. This pretty much became a necessity since ~2005, when IT demand skyrocketed and became mainstream and automatic candidate rejection and filtering became pervasive
poidos 3y ago
You can never precisely be sure, but here are some of the behaviors I’ve been observing that give me the feeling I was auto-rejected: - rejection coming in nearly instantly - rejection coming at “odd” times — weekend evenings, 3 AM in my time zone for a company in my time zone The latter one doesn’t hold up too well for remote-first companies but I would hope few tech firms have recruiting staff going through applications on weekends.
- FireBeyond 3y ago
  Yup. I applied for a PM position, within 20 minutes of it going up. Quite a specific one: "'expert level' health insurance system knowledge and experience integrating between multiple EHR vendors and partners'". I have all of this. Have built claims benefits management systems being used by some household names in healthcare. I'm an expert in EPIC, Cerner, ESOsuite EHR systems. 10 minutes later: "we are looking for someone whose skillset and experience better aligns with our requirements and the position". I guess my resume needed more buzzwords.

siva7 3y ago

I guess it hurts less if you can blame ai?

NovemberWhiskey 3y ago

As a hiring manager, based on the average candidate that gets forwarded to me after presumably several rounds of filtering (some mechanical, some human), the idea that there is some kind of smart matching going on is slightly ridiculous: they can't tell a security-focused software developer resume from an assurance-focused security specialist, for example.

Eumenes 3y ago

AI isn't scanning job applications lol ... lazy recruiters can't review them fast enough.