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A tax on CO2 producers that is redistributed as basic income, helping the smallest guy the most, would be a gradual force to shift to cleaner energy, since the

by bergen 3y ago

A tax on CO2 producers that is redistributed as basic income, helping the smallest guy the most, would be a gradual force to shift to cleaner energy, since the seismic shift that is required cleary is not favored by anyone.

sigmoid10 3y ago
Since the people who decide this got into their positions with support from the only group who would lose from this in the short term, we can be sure that it'll never happen.
ben_w 3y ago
While I approve of UBI and environmental protection, I don't think it's going to help either cause to mix them together like that.
underseacables 3y ago
Any tax in America would be completely pointless if there's nothing that limits, China, and India, as the world's largest polluters. Anything the West does is just a drop in the bucket, unless those two countries follow.
- hatenberg 3y ago
  It's a very large drop. 33% of global carbon emissions are from the west 18% from the united states A significant share of chinese emmissions is driven by western consumerism as well and could be reduced. Even a 10% reduction of the overall share driven purely by the west would amount to a lot more than a drop. Even more if coupled with a proper incentive system for other countries to follow "completely pointless"?
  - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
    Exactly. People forget that all the environmental damage coming from China and other sweatshop countries, comes from manufacturing stuff on the cheap to feed western consumerism, and those corners cut to achieve such low prices are not just on labor but also on lack of environmental protection. There's a reason semiconductors are no longer manufactured in 'Silicon Valley' who's soil is still full of forever chemicals, but mostly all moved to Asia where there's a lot less concern for the local environment as long as billions are flowing in the country. https://theconversation.com/how-silicon-valley-industry-polluted-the-sylvan-california-dream-85810 https://theconversation.com/how-silicon-valley-industry-poll...
  - underseacables 3y ago
    You missed the part about a tax in America. Just because America does something doesn't mean the rest of the world is going to follow. Introducing a tax on carbon emissions will only harm America, while other parts of the world continue to pollute. It's still results in no benefit. And that's very naïve to think that it's western consumerism, when there's plenty of consumerism in Asia and Europe. This American centric focus is so very naïve.
    - from-nibly 3y ago
      Europe is part of "western"
- sriram_malhar 3y ago
  US is a much worse polluter than India. All of us have to get our shit together before waiting for others.
sonicanatidae 3y ago
This will never happen, because it could help too many of those who need it the most.
maxhille 3y ago
That "Klimageld" is actually planned in Germany by the current Government. It should already have been implemented but different forms of inability to implement have it delayed by a lot.

by bergen 3y ago

sigmoid10 3y ago

Since the people who decide this got into their positions with support from the only group who would lose from this in the short term, we can be sure that it'll never happen.

ben_w 3y ago

While I approve of UBI and environmental protection, I don't think it's going to help either cause to mix them together like that.

underseacables 3y ago

Any tax in America would be completely pointless if there's nothing that limits, China, and India, as the world's largest polluters. Anything the West does is just a drop in the bucket, unless those two countries follow.

hatenberg 3y ago
It's a very large drop. 33% of global carbon emissions are from the west 18% from the united states A significant share of chinese emmissions is driven by western consumerism as well and could be reduced. Even a 10% reduction of the overall share driven purely by the west would amount to a lot more than a drop. Even more if coupled with a proper incentive system for other countries to follow "completely pointless"?
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  Exactly. People forget that all the environmental damage coming from China and other sweatshop countries, comes from manufacturing stuff on the cheap to feed western consumerism, and those corners cut to achieve such low prices are not just on labor but also on lack of environmental protection. There's a reason semiconductors are no longer manufactured in 'Silicon Valley' who's soil is still full of forever chemicals, but mostly all moved to Asia where there's a lot less concern for the local environment as long as billions are flowing in the country. https://theconversation.com/how-silicon-valley-industry-polluted-the-sylvan-california-dream-85810 https://theconversation.com/how-silicon-valley-industry-poll...
- underseacables 3y ago
  You missed the part about a tax in America. Just because America does something doesn't mean the rest of the world is going to follow. Introducing a tax on carbon emissions will only harm America, while other parts of the world continue to pollute. It's still results in no benefit. And that's very naïve to think that it's western consumerism, when there's plenty of consumerism in Asia and Europe. This American centric focus is so very naïve.
  - from-nibly 3y ago
    Europe is part of "western"
sriram_malhar 3y ago
US is a much worse polluter than India. All of us have to get our shit together before waiting for others.

sonicanatidae 3y ago

This will never happen, because it could help too many of those who need it the most.

maxhille 3y ago

That "Klimageld" is actually planned in Germany by the current Government. It should already have been implemented but different forms of inability to implement have it delayed by a lot.