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Feels like OpenAI employees aren't so enthused about joining MSFT here, no?

curiousgal 3y ago
Sam starts a new company, they quit OpenAI to join, he fires them months later when the auto complete hype dies out. I don't understand this cult of personality.
- code_runner 3y ago
  maybe chatgpt is overhyped a bit (maybe a lot).... most of that hype is external to OAI. But to boil it down to autocomplete is just totally disingenuous.
  - hartator 3y ago
    > But to boil it down to autocomplete is just totally disingenuous. It is though from Ilya's own words: "We weren't expecting that just finding the next word will lead to something intelligent; ChatGPT just finds the next token" Ref: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI4Tpi48DlA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI4Tpi48DlA
    - code_runner 3y ago
      if you'd like to take a quote out of context in order to equate two different technologies, you just go to town.
      - hartator 3y ago
        Ilya says it's pretty clear that a very very smart autocomplete leads to intelligence. OP was using the word autocomplete as a pejorative, but it's actually not and it is the strategy LLMs are pursuing. The example that Ilya's was using: If you feed the LLMs a mystery murder novel and it is able to autocomplete "The killer is" from just clues, you have achieved intelligence. Nothing wrong with autocomplete being AGI.
        code_runner 3y ago
        yeah, when I think of autocomplete I definitely think of predicting the next thing a person is going to type, which is related but basically equivalent to "a horse and a plane to both get to a destination, whats the difference" in my mind. If you're going to speak so abstractly you really lose the forest for the trees IMO. I do like the murder mystery example
        hartator 3y ago
        > "a horse and a plane to both get to a destination, whats the difference" That's actually a good analogy with autocomplete. A plane reactor still measures itself in "horse"-power. It's technically a very very powerful horse. Trying to get better and better horses got us here. Like GPT-4 is a very very powerful GMail-like autocomplete. :)
- fkyoureadthedoc 3y ago
  just picturing you in the 80's waiting for the digital folder and filing cabinet hype to die out.
c0pium 3y ago
Feels like they want to be where Altman is.
- RobertDeNiro 3y ago
  Realistically, regular employees have little to gain by staying at Open AI at this point. They would be taking a huge gamble, earn less money, and lose a lot of colleagues.
  - therealdrag0 3y ago
    Why earning less money? Isn’t openai comp huge while MS is famous for peanuts?
    - ryeights 3y ago
      Most of OpenAI comp is in equity… which is worth much less now
- DebtDeflation 3y ago
  Feels like they're not on board with taking the whole "non-profit, for the good of humanity" charter LITERALLY as the board seems to want to do now.
  - isitmadeofglass 3y ago
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- croes 3y ago
  Make them look like hypocrites. Being upset because the board hinders the company's mission, but threaten to join MS to kill the mission completely.
  - adventured 3y ago
    Or they believe the mission is going to die with how the board is performing, which is in fact the correct take. The board isn't merely hindering the mission, that's downplaying the extraordinary incompetence of the remaining OpenAI board.
outside1234 3y ago
The rumor has it that OpenAI 2.0 will get a LinkedIn "hands-off" style organization where they don't have to pay diversity taxes and other BS that the regular Microsoft org does
- buildbot 3y ago
  Diversity Taxes? Not aware of that on my paycheck. Maybe time to check out alternative sources of information than what you typically ingest.
  - outside1234 3y ago
    I see you are new here or not aware of our diverse slates for every position we hire. Well, except for Sam, he apparently didn't need a diverse slate.
- mr_toad 3y ago
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softwaredoug 3y ago
It seems based on Satya's messaging its as much MSFT as Mojang (Minecraft creator) is MSFT... I guess they are trying to set it up with its own culture, etc
joseph_grobbles 3y ago
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Sam starts a new company, they quit OpenAI to join, he fires them months later when the auto complete hype dies out. I don't understand this cult of personality.

code_runner 3y ago
maybe chatgpt is overhyped a bit (maybe a lot).... most of that hype is external to OAI. But to boil it down to autocomplete is just totally disingenuous.
- hartator 3y ago
  > But to boil it down to autocomplete is just totally disingenuous. It is though from Ilya's own words: "We weren't expecting that just finding the next word will lead to something intelligent; ChatGPT just finds the next token" Ref: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI4Tpi48DlA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI4Tpi48DlA
  - code_runner 3y ago
    if you'd like to take a quote out of context in order to equate two different technologies, you just go to town.
    - hartator 3y ago
      Ilya says it's pretty clear that a very very smart autocomplete leads to intelligence. OP was using the word autocomplete as a pejorative, but it's actually not and it is the strategy LLMs are pursuing. The example that Ilya's was using: If you feed the LLMs a mystery murder novel and it is able to autocomplete "The killer is" from just clues, you have achieved intelligence. Nothing wrong with autocomplete being AGI.
      - code_runner 3y ago
        yeah, when I think of autocomplete I definitely think of predicting the next thing a person is going to type, which is related but basically equivalent to "a horse and a plane to both get to a destination, whats the difference" in my mind. If you're going to speak so abstractly you really lose the forest for the trees IMO. I do like the murder mystery example
        hartator 3y ago
        > "a horse and a plane to both get to a destination, whats the difference" That's actually a good analogy with autocomplete. A plane reactor still measures itself in "horse"-power. It's technically a very very powerful horse. Trying to get better and better horses got us here. Like GPT-4 is a very very powerful GMail-like autocomplete. :)
fkyoureadthedoc 3y ago
just picturing you in the 80's waiting for the digital folder and filing cabinet hype to die out.

c0pium 3y ago

Feels like they want to be where Altman is.

RobertDeNiro 3y ago
Realistically, regular employees have little to gain by staying at Open AI at this point. They would be taking a huge gamble, earn less money, and lose a lot of colleagues.
- therealdrag0 3y ago
  Why earning less money? Isn’t openai comp huge while MS is famous for peanuts?
  - ryeights 3y ago
    Most of OpenAI comp is in equity… which is worth much less now
DebtDeflation 3y ago
Feels like they're not on board with taking the whole "non-profit, for the good of humanity" charter LITERALLY as the board seems to want to do now.
- isitmadeofglass 3y ago
  [dead]
croes 3y ago
Make them look like hypocrites. Being upset because the board hinders the company's mission, but threaten to join MS to kill the mission completely.
- adventured 3y ago
  Or they believe the mission is going to die with how the board is performing, which is in fact the correct take. The board isn't merely hindering the mission, that's downplaying the extraordinary incompetence of the remaining OpenAI board.

outside1234 3y ago

The rumor has it that OpenAI 2.0 will get a LinkedIn "hands-off" style organization where they don't have to pay diversity taxes and other BS that the regular Microsoft org does

buildbot 3y ago
Diversity Taxes? Not aware of that on my paycheck. Maybe time to check out alternative sources of information than what you typically ingest.
- outside1234 3y ago
  I see you are new here or not aware of our diverse slates for every position we hire. Well, except for Sam, he apparently didn't need a diverse slate.
mr_toad 3y ago
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softwaredoug 3y ago

It seems based on Satya's messaging its as much MSFT as Mojang (Minecraft creator) is MSFT... I guess they are trying to set it up with its own culture, etc

joseph_grobbles 3y ago

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