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There is one particular very well know person that still hasn't grasp this and people are still believing his spiel.

FirmwareBurner 3y ago
Well, he did get a bunch of patsys to invest their life savings into his company based on the "full self driving is (eternally) 6 months aways and backwards portable to existing cars" hype, till his company was worth more than all other car companies combines, so well done him I guess.
rndmize 3y ago
I'm growing somewhat tired of the endless shade thrown at Elon across the internet. People believe Elon when he promises something absurd because he's done it before. Twenty years ago there were no electric cars. Fifteen years ago the idea of a mass-market electric vehicle was considered a joke. Ten years ago people talked about the chicken-and-egg problem of cars and chargers and how you can't have one without the other, and no one was building chargers. Today, Tesla has some of the best selling vehicles worldwide, as an EV only company; other companies are adopting their standard on charging; the idea of them building a charger network, originally seen as completely ridiculous, has ended up as the premier way to charge your vehicle and is being opened to other companies' cars. I'd be tempted to guess that they've had a larger impact on reducing emissions than any other single company on the planet. Twenty years ago, private spaceflight was considered impossible; this was the domain of governments alone, and the various x-prizes and the like had done nothing to change this matter. Fifteen years ago, reusable rockets was considered impossible (NASA and their contractors can't even do it, how could anyone else?) Ten years ago, SpaceX cut the costs of delivering stuff to space by what, 10x? 20x? Now they're casually demolishing all players in the satellite-ISP space single-handedly, and are looking at reducing delivery costs another 5-10x; the EU's current rockets and space orgs are collapsing under the weight of their lack of competitiveness. I don't have to agree with the man's recent decisions around Twitter or politics to credit his past accomplishments, many of which were promised years before they became reality, and it boggles me to see all the people that are incapable of doing so.
- Auracle 3y ago
  You could see the online public opinion shift against him in real time on Reddit the second he started mentioning some politically conservative viewpoints. I bet someone smarter than me could figure out a way to graph it.
  - Dah00n 3y ago
    You mean his anti-Semitism comments?
    - Auracle 3y ago
      Yeah, your comment on it is a perfect illustration, thank you. Most Jewish people in the US are Democrats, and it's pretty much been the party platform the last ten years to push "hatred against whites" and to immigrate "hordes of minorities." Apparently the latter is a conspiracy theory against Jewish people as a whole, though I've certainly never heard it. Perhaps Elon hadn't either. To call him affirmatively replying to that tweet antisemitic is a huge stretch. Should someone in his position be commenting on stuff like that? Probably not, but I think it's insane it's as big of a deal that it is. For what it's worth I just unsubscribed to a particular Patreon because the guy running it was clearly pro-Hamas/anti-Israel from what he's been posting on Twitter. I'm in no way an antisemite myself. To your comment as whole - no, I was referring to perhaps...5 years ago?
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  >I'd be tempted to guess that they've had a larger impact on reducing emissions than any other single company on the planet. I need to remember the name of the book where I read that, but statistically the people who buy Teslas produce more global emissions than others, simply on the fact that manufacturing a Tesla vehicle produces nearly 2x emissions as manufacturing an equivalent ICE, and the class of people who can easily afford Teslas engage in a lot of environmentally damaging activities like excess consumerism, lots of traveling, etc. versus the people who can only afford to keep using their ICE car instead of throwing them away to buy a Tesla. It's one of the reasons why despite the boom in EV adoption, global emissions are also skyrocketing with them. So EVs alone won't save this planet. In fact, according to that book, if we were to replace all ICE cars on the road with EVs, the manufacturing, materials and the mining necessarily to extract all the materials necessary for that to happen, would cause such an increase in emissions that would be catastrophicall to the planet. So the solution is actually less cars for earth, not more cars except Teslas instead of ICEs. It was an interesting analysys that I need to find. Self driving cars in the form of fleets of autonomous robo-taxis that you hail on demand, would solve that "too many cars on earth" problem since most cars stay idly parked all day anyway, but we're very far away from actually achieve that level.

Well, he did get a bunch of patsys to invest their life savings into his company based on the "full self driving is (eternally) 6 months aways and backwards portable to existing cars" hype, till his company was worth more than all other car companies combines, so well done him I guess.

rndmize 3y ago

I'm growing somewhat tired of the endless shade thrown at Elon across the internet. People believe Elon when he promises something absurd because he's done it before. Twenty years ago there were no electric cars. Fifteen years ago the idea of a mass-market electric vehicle was considered a joke. Ten years ago people talked about the chicken-and-egg problem of cars and chargers and how you can't have one without the other, and no one was building chargers. Today, Tesla has some of the best selling vehicles worldwide, as an EV only company; other companies are adopting their standard on charging; the idea of them building a charger network, originally seen as completely ridiculous, has ended up as the premier way to charge your vehicle and is being opened to other companies' cars. I'd be tempted to guess that they've had a larger impact on reducing emissions than any other single company on the planet. Twenty years ago, private spaceflight was considered impossible; this was the domain of governments alone, and the various x-prizes and the like had done nothing to change this matter. Fifteen years ago, reusable rockets was considered impossible (NASA and their contractors can't even do it, how could anyone else?) Ten years ago, SpaceX cut the costs of delivering stuff to space by what, 10x? 20x? Now they're casually demolishing all players in the satellite-ISP space single-handedly, and are looking at reducing delivery costs another 5-10x; the EU's current rockets and space orgs are collapsing under the weight of their lack of competitiveness. I don't have to agree with the man's recent decisions around Twitter or politics to credit his past accomplishments, many of which were promised years before they became reality, and it boggles me to see all the people that are incapable of doing so.

Auracle 3y ago
You could see the online public opinion shift against him in real time on Reddit the second he started mentioning some politically conservative viewpoints. I bet someone smarter than me could figure out a way to graph it.
- Dah00n 3y ago
  You mean his anti-Semitism comments?
  - Auracle 3y ago
    Yeah, your comment on it is a perfect illustration, thank you. Most Jewish people in the US are Democrats, and it's pretty much been the party platform the last ten years to push "hatred against whites" and to immigrate "hordes of minorities." Apparently the latter is a conspiracy theory against Jewish people as a whole, though I've certainly never heard it. Perhaps Elon hadn't either. To call him affirmatively replying to that tweet antisemitic is a huge stretch. Should someone in his position be commenting on stuff like that? Probably not, but I think it's insane it's as big of a deal that it is. For what it's worth I just unsubscribed to a particular Patreon because the guy running it was clearly pro-Hamas/anti-Israel from what he's been posting on Twitter. I'm in no way an antisemite myself. To your comment as whole - no, I was referring to perhaps...5 years ago?
FirmwareBurner 3y ago
>I'd be tempted to guess that they've had a larger impact on reducing emissions than any other single company on the planet. I need to remember the name of the book where I read that, but statistically the people who buy Teslas produce more global emissions than others, simply on the fact that manufacturing a Tesla vehicle produces nearly 2x emissions as manufacturing an equivalent ICE, and the class of people who can easily afford Teslas engage in a lot of environmentally damaging activities like excess consumerism, lots of traveling, etc. versus the people who can only afford to keep using their ICE car instead of throwing them away to buy a Tesla. It's one of the reasons why despite the boom in EV adoption, global emissions are also skyrocketing with them. So EVs alone won't save this planet. In fact, according to that book, if we were to replace all ICE cars on the road with EVs, the manufacturing, materials and the mining necessarily to extract all the materials necessary for that to happen, would cause such an increase in emissions that would be catastrophicall to the planet. So the solution is actually less cars for earth, not more cars except Teslas instead of ICEs. It was an interesting analysys that I need to find. Self driving cars in the form of fleets of autonomous robo-taxis that you hail on demand, would solve that "too many cars on earth" problem since most cars stay idly parked all day anyway, but we're very far away from actually achieve that level.