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I can't believe I'm playing devil's advocate here because I'm generally a skeptical / pessimistic person, but what? The world we are headed into, accelerated b

I can't believe I'm playing devil's advocate here because I'm generally a skeptical / pessimistic person, but what? The world we are headed into, accelerated by huge leaps in technology like AI, will be a sorry, pathetic, unforgiving world, that amplifies suffering and nullifies humanity. Is that what has happened so far in your life? Technology has messed it up for you ?

vouaobrasil 3y ago
I think technology has messed up a lot of lives. Sure, we've got good healthcare and resources in the first-world, but smaller communities are eroding to the global force of technology. Don't bully people into not expressing critical thought by emphasizing that they have their basic physical needs met. We should be critical of society, even if on the surface it seems pretty good. We also have more advanced psychological needs such as the need to depend on others, and that is what is at stake here.
- ChatGTP 3y ago
  I see a contradiction in your message here. On the one hand you're saying people are worse off because of technology, but then you're also saying that people don't rely on each other because they have more of their needs met. So which is it? Wouldn't the poverty rebuild these communities ? I mean the hardships make people rely on each other right? I don't entirely doubt what you're saying either, but I'm not so sure I see what you see.
  - vouaobrasil 3y ago
    There is no contradiction, because I do not believe that having all your physical needs met is necessarily the best end for a human being, especially if they have the capability to meet a lot of those needs themselves if they were given the tools to do so. It's like those people in the Matrix pods: they have their needs met, but they are being plugged into a machine and are not truly human.
    - bamboozled 3y ago
      Name a single instance or person who has all their physical needs met by an LLM? Seriously, we're a long way off technological utopia. Even if we had some type of AGI/ASI that was self-aware like in movies ,there's little if any evidence to suggest it will just work for us and make sure you're ok.
edgyquant 3y ago
Yes where have you been?
- bamboozled 3y ago
  How has it been messed up for you ? Would going back to medieval times fix it?
  - hamandcheese 3y ago
    > Would going back to medieval times fix it? Going back to the 90s probably would.
    - vasco 3y ago
      > The decrease in the number of people affected by hunger has happened in a period where the world population has increased by 2.2 billion - from 5,3 billion in 1990 to 7.5 billion in 2018. The share of undernourished people in the world has therefore fallen markedly in the past three decades. From 19% in 1990 to 10.8% in 2018. https://www.theworldcounts.com/challenges/people-and-poverty/hunger-and-obesity/how-many-people-die-from-hunger-each-year https://www.theworldcounts.com/challenges/people-and-poverty... Why don't you go ask the 189 million people that since 1990 have avoided hunger if they agree?
      - hamandcheese 3y ago
        Was social media required to feed those people? I don't think hunger in the 90s was a technology problem.
        golergka 3y ago
        Yes, actually. Social media and internet made ad industry much more effective, which in turn made wonders in commerce, which is exactly what raised people out of hunger. A lot of people in southeastern Asia and China are working in industry and live tens time better than subsiste farmers just one generation before them exactly because the niche trinkets they make can now be sold on instagram.

vouaobrasil 3y ago

I think technology has messed up a lot of lives. Sure, we've got good healthcare and resources in the first-world, but smaller communities are eroding to the global force of technology. Don't bully people into not expressing critical thought by emphasizing that they have their basic physical needs met. We should be critical of society, even if on the surface it seems pretty good. We also have more advanced psychological needs such as the need to depend on others, and that is what is at stake here.

ChatGTP 3y ago
I see a contradiction in your message here. On the one hand you're saying people are worse off because of technology, but then you're also saying that people don't rely on each other because they have more of their needs met. So which is it? Wouldn't the poverty rebuild these communities ? I mean the hardships make people rely on each other right? I don't entirely doubt what you're saying either, but I'm not so sure I see what you see.
- vouaobrasil 3y ago
  There is no contradiction, because I do not believe that having all your physical needs met is necessarily the best end for a human being, especially if they have the capability to meet a lot of those needs themselves if they were given the tools to do so. It's like those people in the Matrix pods: they have their needs met, but they are being plugged into a machine and are not truly human.
  - bamboozled 3y ago
    Name a single instance or person who has all their physical needs met by an LLM? Seriously, we're a long way off technological utopia. Even if we had some type of AGI/ASI that was self-aware like in movies ,there's little if any evidence to suggest it will just work for us and make sure you're ok.

edgyquant 3y ago

Yes where have you been?

bamboozled 3y ago
How has it been messed up for you ? Would going back to medieval times fix it?
- hamandcheese 3y ago
  > Would going back to medieval times fix it? Going back to the 90s probably would.
  - vasco 3y ago
    > The decrease in the number of people affected by hunger has happened in a period where the world population has increased by 2.2 billion - from 5,3 billion in 1990 to 7.5 billion in 2018. The share of undernourished people in the world has therefore fallen markedly in the past three decades. From 19% in 1990 to 10.8% in 2018. https://www.theworldcounts.com/challenges/people-and-poverty/hunger-and-obesity/how-many-people-die-from-hunger-each-year https://www.theworldcounts.com/challenges/people-and-poverty... Why don't you go ask the 189 million people that since 1990 have avoided hunger if they agree?
    - hamandcheese 3y ago
      Was social media required to feed those people? I don't think hunger in the 90s was a technology problem.
      - golergka 3y ago
        Yes, actually. Social media and internet made ad industry much more effective, which in turn made wonders in commerce, which is exactly what raised people out of hunger. A lot of people in southeastern Asia and China are working in industry and live tens time better than subsiste farmers just one generation before them exactly because the niche trinkets they make can now be sold on instagram.