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This is a situation where the whole e/acc stuff every Silicon Valley bigwig is shouting about got a company in trouble. Push forward at all cost, expand as fas

by tempsy 3y ago

This is a situation where the whole e/acc stuff every Silicon Valley bigwig is shouting about got a company in trouble. Push forward at all cost, expand as fast as possible, see regulators as stifling forces not to be trusted or taken seriously. Can almost guarantee the Cruise CEO was in that circle of thought and drank the Koolaid too hard.

cheeselip420 3y ago
No this was more of a fake-it-til-you-make-it situation
- tempsy 3y ago
  Hiding a video from regulators has nothing to do with faking it til you make it
  - oldgradstudent 3y ago
    It's not just hiding the video. It was mainly the content of that video. And then we had all the other leaks. That they couldn't reliably distinguish children from adults, making them (even by their overly optimistic models) more dangerous to children than humans - which is why they started operating mostly at night, when there are few children. And then it was reported they had 1.5 employees per car in operations, requiring support every 2-5 miles. Very surprising given that they've reported a disengagement every 95,000 miles last year. Cruise was a company that could not withstand transparency.
    - jacquesm 3y ago
      > And then it was reported they had 1.5 employees per car in operations, requiring support every 2-5 miles. Very surprising given that they've reported a disengagement every 95,000 miles last year. If true that alone should have disqualified them from being street legal.
      - SR2Z 3y ago
        "Support every 2-5 miles" = having a human on standby to deal with a situation that might soon require human intervention. According to Kyle, speaking as himself on HN, most of these support events don't result in the remote operator doing _anything_.
        oldgradstudent 3y ago
        > most of these support events don't result in the remote operator doing _anything_ That's a utterly ridiculous statistic. If you need a human to monitor to prevent a bad result, it doesn't matter how often the human has to intervene. For example: With Tesla Autopilot, the driver doesn't have to do anything the vast majority of the time. Still, your life expectancy will be measured in days if you don't monitor it. Even if the vehicle makes completely random decisions when faced with a binary code, you could still say that 50% of the support events don't result in the remote operator doing anything.
        SR2Z 3y ago
        This is not "human monitor or the car crashes." This is "human monitor or the car might do a safe stop and block traffic." A human driver can easily get away with the latter, and often do. A self-driving car can't, because people hold them to higher standards.
        oldgradstudent 3y ago
        > This is "human monitor or the car might do a safe stop and block traffic." And they need all those people because their software cannot reliably handle it itself. Otherwise they would not used so many people. > A human driver can easily get away with the latter, and often do. A self-driving car can't, because people hold them to higher standards. LOL. They've been blocking streets all over the place. https://techcrunch.com/2022/06/30/cruise-robotaxis-blocked-traffic-for-hours-on-this-san-francisco-street/amp/ https://techcrunch.com/2022/06/30/cruise-robotaxis-blocked-t...

by tempsy 3y ago

cheeselip420 3y ago

No this was more of a fake-it-til-you-make-it situation

tempsy 3y ago
Hiding a video from regulators has nothing to do with faking it til you make it
- oldgradstudent 3y ago
  It's not just hiding the video. It was mainly the content of that video. And then we had all the other leaks. That they couldn't reliably distinguish children from adults, making them (even by their overly optimistic models) more dangerous to children than humans - which is why they started operating mostly at night, when there are few children. And then it was reported they had 1.5 employees per car in operations, requiring support every 2-5 miles. Very surprising given that they've reported a disengagement every 95,000 miles last year. Cruise was a company that could not withstand transparency.
  - jacquesm 3y ago
    > And then it was reported they had 1.5 employees per car in operations, requiring support every 2-5 miles. Very surprising given that they've reported a disengagement every 95,000 miles last year. If true that alone should have disqualified them from being street legal.
    - SR2Z 3y ago
      "Support every 2-5 miles" = having a human on standby to deal with a situation that might soon require human intervention. According to Kyle, speaking as himself on HN, most of these support events don't result in the remote operator doing _anything_.
      - oldgradstudent 3y ago
        > most of these support events don't result in the remote operator doing _anything_ That's a utterly ridiculous statistic. If you need a human to monitor to prevent a bad result, it doesn't matter how often the human has to intervene. For example: With Tesla Autopilot, the driver doesn't have to do anything the vast majority of the time. Still, your life expectancy will be measured in days if you don't monitor it. Even if the vehicle makes completely random decisions when faced with a binary code, you could still say that 50% of the support events don't result in the remote operator doing anything.
        SR2Z 3y ago
        This is not "human monitor or the car crashes." This is "human monitor or the car might do a safe stop and block traffic." A human driver can easily get away with the latter, and often do. A self-driving car can't, because people hold them to higher standards.
        oldgradstudent 3y ago
        > This is "human monitor or the car might do a safe stop and block traffic." And they need all those people because their software cannot reliably handle it itself. Otherwise they would not used so many people. > A human driver can easily get away with the latter, and often do. A self-driving car can't, because people hold them to higher standards. LOL. They've been blocking streets all over the place. https://techcrunch.com/2022/06/30/cruise-robotaxis-blocked-traffic-for-hours-on-this-san-francisco-street/amp/ https://techcrunch.com/2022/06/30/cruise-robotaxis-blocked-t...