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Currently, it’s very unclear who operates under what motives. How much is it about ego? How much is it about money and how much is it due to intellectual positi

by mrtksn 3y ago

Currently, it’s very unclear who operates under what motives. How much is it about ego? How much is it about money and how much is it due to intellectual positions? Maybe there’re are no heroes and maybe there’re no antiheroes? With the recent news about other investments and deals, the facade doesn’t seem to even resemble the OpenAI’s reality. I can’t wait to read the autobiography of involved parties.

jessenaser 3y ago
Sam Altman by Walter Isaacson Releasing 2037...
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- spking 3y ago
  Shouldn't it be written by ChatGPT?
  - dboreham 3y ago
    ChatGPT "with Walter Isaacson".
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  - mickdarling 3y ago
    I had ChatGPT give me some proposals for screenplays. My favorite was Rainbow MosAIc, a Rashomon style film taking place mainly from Friday to Monday. It played with all the different potential motivations and theories. It did a half decent metaphor with representing the different points of view via the different video conferencing cameras.
resource0x 3y ago
Are you sure they will be "consistently candid" in their autobiographies? :-)
thepasswordis 3y ago
>Ego I can absolutely empathize with Ilya here, though. As far as I know the tech making openai function is largely his life’s work. It would be extremely frustrating to have Sam be the face of it, and be given the credit for it. Sam is clearly a very accomplished businessman and networker. Those people are super important, I wish I had a person like him on my team. I’ve had the experience of other people tacitly taking credit for my work. Giving talks about it, receiving praise for their vision. It’s incredibly demoralizing. I’m not necessarily saying Sam did this, since I don’t know any of these people. Just speculating on how it might feel to ge Ilya watching Sam go on a world tour meeting heads of state to talk about what is largely Ilya’s work.
- bugglebeetle 3y ago
  …and yet a very familiar story in the industry.
- kwant_kiddo 3y ago
  What makes you think it is 'his' work and not theirs? I remember when OpenAI was just a joke compared to Deepmind. The turning point (as I remember) was when they used [1] deep reinforcement learning on dota2. clearly iyla (also one of the authors) contributed, but so did many others on the team I assume? [1]: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1912.06680.pdf https://arxiv.org/pdf/1912.06680.pdf
  - WanderPanda 3y ago
    The robotic hand Rubiks cube manipulation using RL was no joke either!
  - mi_lk 3y ago
    It for sure doesn't have sama's name on it. The point stands
- slavetologic 3y ago
  I can personally understand this, and am currently struggling with it. It's hard that the world works this way.
ioulaum 3y ago
Given that nothing criminal happened, canning Sam with no chance for discussion was just overkill. It's probably more of an intellectual / philosophical position, given that they just did not think through the real impact on the business (and thus the mission itself) I'm inclined to assume that something stupid was done. It happens. They should resolve it, fix the rules for how the board can behave, and move on. Despite the bungling, Ilya is probably still a good voice to have on the board. His key responsibility (super-alignment), is a key part of OpenAI's mission.
- cmdli 3y ago
  While we don’t know the whole story, I don’t think Sam is innocent in this matter. It seems likely that this was a recurring disagreement, and perhaps this was simply a step too far where the board had to act. When you fire somebody, typically you don’t give them a heads up.
  - Aeolun 3y ago
    You don’t typically do it this quickly either.
    - tempestn 3y ago
      What do you mean? Typically (always?) the firing itself is instantaneous. We have no idea how long the issues that led to the firing went on. The communication was certainly very poor, and we don't know if the reasons were good, but I don't understand the speed complaint.
      - Aeolun 3y ago
        If it’s not a sudden thing, the person being fired generally writes a ‘no bad feelings’ instead of a ‘WTF’ message.
    - rblatz 3y ago
      If you do it properly, from the outside it seems sudden.
zyang 3y ago
Musk recruited Ilya from Google to start OpenAI. Musk was ousted by Altman. Now Altman is ousted by Ilya.
YeBanKo 3y ago
Initially I thought it iwas about money. Now it seems to be about intellectual position: Sama wants to move fast and break things, Ilya does not. I don’t want my bank to replace customer support with LLM agent, that has access to internal APIs or LLM driving a medical decision just yet. As an example, couple years ago Crisis Text Line decided to sell data to a for profit spin off. Their justification was that data was anonymized, which was bs for it’s unstructured text data, and that it’s not against terms of service, which users had agreed to. Mind you, these users were people in crisis maybe even on a brink of a suicide. This was highly unethical and caused a backlash. Then one of the bod members wrote a half assed “reflection” post [1]. If some core employees of CTL did a “coup” to stop this decision, because they believed it’s unethical and dangerous, wouldn’t it be justifies? [1] http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2022/01/31/crisis-text-line-from-my-perspective.html http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2022/01/31/crisis-...
- s3p 3y ago
  >I don’t want my bank to replace customer support with LLM agent, that has access to internal APIs If it weren't for the mentality you are rallying against we wouldn't have ChatGPT. Google, Meta, everyone had these LLMs sitting around. OpenAI was the only company with the balls to release it to the public.

by mrtksn 3y ago

jessenaser 3y ago

Sam Altman by Walter Isaacson Releasing 2037...

deleted 3y ago
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spking 3y ago
Shouldn't it be written by ChatGPT?
- dboreham 3y ago
  ChatGPT "with Walter Isaacson".
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]
- mickdarling 3y ago
  I had ChatGPT give me some proposals for screenplays. My favorite was Rainbow MosAIc, a Rashomon style film taking place mainly from Friday to Monday. It played with all the different potential motivations and theories. It did a half decent metaphor with representing the different points of view via the different video conferencing cameras.

resource0x 3y ago

Are you sure they will be "consistently candid" in their autobiographies? :-)

thepasswordis 3y ago

>Ego I can absolutely empathize with Ilya here, though. As far as I know the tech making openai function is largely his life’s work. It would be extremely frustrating to have Sam be the face of it, and be given the credit for it. Sam is clearly a very accomplished businessman and networker. Those people are super important, I wish I had a person like him on my team. I’ve had the experience of other people tacitly taking credit for my work. Giving talks about it, receiving praise for their vision. It’s incredibly demoralizing. I’m not necessarily saying Sam did this, since I don’t know any of these people. Just speculating on how it might feel to ge Ilya watching Sam go on a world tour meeting heads of state to talk about what is largely Ilya’s work.

bugglebeetle 3y ago
…and yet a very familiar story in the industry.
kwant_kiddo 3y ago
What makes you think it is 'his' work and not theirs? I remember when OpenAI was just a joke compared to Deepmind. The turning point (as I remember) was when they used [1] deep reinforcement learning on dota2. clearly iyla (also one of the authors) contributed, but so did many others on the team I assume? [1]: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1912.06680.pdf https://arxiv.org/pdf/1912.06680.pdf
- WanderPanda 3y ago
  The robotic hand Rubiks cube manipulation using RL was no joke either!
- mi_lk 3y ago
  It for sure doesn't have sama's name on it. The point stands
slavetologic 3y ago
I can personally understand this, and am currently struggling with it. It's hard that the world works this way.

ioulaum 3y ago

Given that nothing criminal happened, canning Sam with no chance for discussion was just overkill. It's probably more of an intellectual / philosophical position, given that they just did not think through the real impact on the business (and thus the mission itself) I'm inclined to assume that something stupid was done. It happens. They should resolve it, fix the rules for how the board can behave, and move on. Despite the bungling, Ilya is probably still a good voice to have on the board. His key responsibility (super-alignment), is a key part of OpenAI's mission.

cmdli 3y ago
While we don’t know the whole story, I don’t think Sam is innocent in this matter. It seems likely that this was a recurring disagreement, and perhaps this was simply a step too far where the board had to act. When you fire somebody, typically you don’t give them a heads up.
- Aeolun 3y ago
  You don’t typically do it this quickly either.
  - tempestn 3y ago
    What do you mean? Typically (always?) the firing itself is instantaneous. We have no idea how long the issues that led to the firing went on. The communication was certainly very poor, and we don't know if the reasons were good, but I don't understand the speed complaint.
    - Aeolun 3y ago
      If it’s not a sudden thing, the person being fired generally writes a ‘no bad feelings’ instead of a ‘WTF’ message.
  - rblatz 3y ago
    If you do it properly, from the outside it seems sudden.

zyang 3y ago

Musk recruited Ilya from Google to start OpenAI. Musk was ousted by Altman. Now Altman is ousted by Ilya.

YeBanKo 3y ago

Initially I thought it iwas about money. Now it seems to be about intellectual position: Sama wants to move fast and break things, Ilya does not. I don’t want my bank to replace customer support with LLM agent, that has access to internal APIs or LLM driving a medical decision just yet. As an example, couple years ago Crisis Text Line decided to sell data to a for profit spin off. Their justification was that data was anonymized, which was bs for it’s unstructured text data, and that it’s not against terms of service, which users had agreed to. Mind you, these users were people in crisis maybe even on a brink of a suicide. This was highly unethical and caused a backlash. Then one of the bod members wrote a half assed “reflection” post [1]. If some core employees of CTL did a “coup” to stop this decision, because they believed it’s unethical and dangerous, wouldn’t it be justifies? [1] http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2022/01/31/crisis-text-line-from-my-perspective.html http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2022/01/31/crisis-...

s3p 3y ago
>I don’t want my bank to replace customer support with LLM agent, that has access to internal APIs If it weren't for the mentality you are rallying against we wouldn't have ChatGPT. Google, Meta, everyone had these LLMs sitting around. OpenAI was the only company with the balls to release it to the public.