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Is there any way he can even stay if Altman returns? Seems like one of them is out and making their own AI venture soon.

cft 3y ago
If Steve can make him stay and remain productive, he's a real business genius
romanhn 3y ago
He could possibly stay in a pure Chief Scientist role while abdicating his board seat. But if I were a CEO, I'd have a hard time trusting a C-level role to someone whose vision is diametrically opposed to my own.
- bossyTeacher 3y ago
  He won't. In a company, you want all employees to share the same vision. Ylia and Altman clearly don't. There is no point pretending
DebtDeflation 3y ago
Make him the same offer he made Brockman - you can stay on as an employee but you're off the board.
- kyle_grove 3y ago
  That will keep him employed for the three nanoseconds until he gets an offer from a competitor.
bugglebeetle 3y ago
He’d probably be better off going to Meta or HuggingFace and working on getting open source as close to OpenAI’s offerings as possible. I expect that real innovation (vs. commercialization) is now fully dead at OpenAI, with them instead focusing on ROÍ for Microsoft.
- letmevoteplease 3y ago
  Ilya is not a champion of open source: "We were wrong. Flat out, we were wrong. If you believe, as we do, that at some point, AI — AGI — is going to be extremely, unbelievably potent, then it just does not make sense to open-source. It is a bad idea... I fully expect that in a few years it’s going to be completely obvious to everyone that open-sourcing AI is just not wise." https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/15/23640180/openai-gpt-4-launch-closed-research-ilya-sutskever-interview https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/15/23640180/openai-gpt-4-lau...
  - drakenot 3y ago
    He said in an interview 2 weeks ago that below a certain capability threshold it is beneficial and good to open source models —- but once you cross that threshold it is a bad idea. The example he gave is a model that could independently do science.
- imjonse 3y ago
  He's opposed to making powerful models open source, unfortunately.
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cft 3y ago

If Steve can make him stay and remain productive, he's a real business genius

romanhn 3y ago

He could possibly stay in a pure Chief Scientist role while abdicating his board seat. But if I were a CEO, I'd have a hard time trusting a C-level role to someone whose vision is diametrically opposed to my own.

bossyTeacher 3y ago
He won't. In a company, you want all employees to share the same vision. Ylia and Altman clearly don't. There is no point pretending

DebtDeflation 3y ago

Make him the same offer he made Brockman - you can stay on as an employee but you're off the board.

kyle_grove 3y ago
That will keep him employed for the three nanoseconds until he gets an offer from a competitor.

bugglebeetle 3y ago

He’d probably be better off going to Meta or HuggingFace and working on getting open source as close to OpenAI’s offerings as possible. I expect that real innovation (vs. commercialization) is now fully dead at OpenAI, with them instead focusing on ROÍ for Microsoft.

letmevoteplease 3y ago
Ilya is not a champion of open source: "We were wrong. Flat out, we were wrong. If you believe, as we do, that at some point, AI — AGI — is going to be extremely, unbelievably potent, then it just does not make sense to open-source. It is a bad idea... I fully expect that in a few years it’s going to be completely obvious to everyone that open-sourcing AI is just not wise." https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/15/23640180/openai-gpt-4-launch-closed-research-ilya-sutskever-interview https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/15/23640180/openai-gpt-4-lau...
- drakenot 3y ago
  He said in an interview 2 weeks ago that below a certain capability threshold it is beneficial and good to open source models —- but once you cross that threshold it is a bad idea. The example he gave is a model that could independently do science.
imjonse 3y ago
He's opposed to making powerful models open source, unfortunately.
- deleted 3y ago
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