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Ilya is the stereotypical genius mind that is extremely passionate yet disconnected from the real world. He got way too worked up about abstract issues, failed
by itchy_spider44 3y ago
Ilya is the stereotypical genius mind that is extremely passionate yet disconnected from the real world. He got way too worked up about abstract issues, failed to see the bigger picture and had a meltdown that other board members took seriously because he's a cofounder. He is instrumental in the research but he shouldn't be running the business.
- shrimpx 3y ago> He is instrumental in the research but he shouldn't be running the business. To push back on this a bit. If two yet unknown people, "an Altman" and "an Ilya", both applied to YC to start a company that builds and sells AI models, guess who would get funded. Not the guy who can't build AI models. I find it bizarre that the guy who can build is suddenly the villain-nerd who can't be trusted, and the salesman is the hero, in this community.
- fidotron 3y agoThere has been a huge cultural shift in tech towards devaluing builders and (excessively) emphasising the roles of operations and sales. In reality you need all of them, and they are all separate talents, but things are clearly unbalanced.
- shrimpx 3y agoIt's how whole industrial sectors become enshittified.
- null0pointer 3y agoRight, I’ve noticed this trend too. It sucks and I find myself frustrated by how easily people go along with smooth talking sales/business types and allow them to take over positions of power. The truth is that builders can exist and build amazing products without the sales guys, but the sales guys would have absolutely nothing without the builders. I’d even go a step further and say that the best products are built by solo or small teams of impassioned builders and as soon as sales/business types get involved things start tending towards enshittification.
- WalterSear 3y agoIMHE at YC, I'd put my money on whichever talked a more monetizable game.
- Tenoke 3y agoThey'll definitely both get funded.
- next_xibalba 3y agoHe seems to have gone the way of Eliezer Yudkowsky (but with actual technical chops).
- bakuninsbart 3y agoFor a very long time I thought Eliezer was one of the least likeable people on the internet, which should be a pretty high mountain to climb. But watching him on the Lex Friedman podcast was really interesting, and putting a face to the writing helped quite a bit in humanizing him. He's obviously neuro-divergent, and obviously very flawed in a number of personality traits, but he's quite intelligent and completely obsessed for more than a decade on a specific topic. I wouldn't just outright dismiss that.
- kranke155 3y agoIs there any way he can even stay if Altman returns? Seems like one of them is out and making their own AI venture soon.
- cft 3y agoIf Steve can make him stay and remain productive, he's a real business genius
- romanhn 3y agoHe could possibly stay in a pure Chief Scientist role while abdicating his board seat. But if I were a CEO, I'd have a hard time trusting a C-level role to someone whose vision is diametrically opposed to my own.
- bossyTeacher 3y agoHe won't. In a company, you want all employees to share the same vision. Ylia and Altman clearly don't. There is no point pretending
- DebtDeflation 3y agoMake him the same offer he made Brockman - you can stay on as an employee but you're off the board.
- kyle_grove 3y agoThat will keep him employed for the three nanoseconds until he gets an offer from a competitor.
- bugglebeetle 3y agoHe’d probably be better off going to Meta or HuggingFace and working on getting open source as close to OpenAI’s offerings as possible. I expect that real innovation (vs. commercialization) is now fully dead at OpenAI, with them instead focusing on ROÍ for Microsoft.
- shmerl 3y agoIf "bigger picture" means making more money with less safety concerns, then I think he is totally right to oppose that.
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