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The title is all this site is willing to divulge to me. I just took the train into the city, had a burger & beer, and soon I'll train back home. I have zero w
by mrkeen 3y ago
The title is all this site is willing to divulge to me.
I just took the train into the city, had a burger & beer, and soon I'll train back home. I have zero worries about my safety.
Anyway, the Right party pulled the balance of power from the Left and formed a centre/right coalition more than a year ago, because of all the bad people coming here and doing bad things. Weren't they going to fix this?
- jacquesm 3y agoThey're not going to fix it because then nobody will vote for them. Besides, they can't fix it, they just needed a bogeyman and there isn't much to fix to begin with. All that you can do is educate and aim to reduce the gap with the next generation or to accept that your own culture isn't static. Ask the Scottish how they feel about Sweden exporting its culture a while ago.
- ersii 3y ago> Ask the Scottish how they feel about Sweden exporting its culture a while ago. What's this referring to?
- jacquesm 3y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindisfarne#Viking_raid_on_the_monastery_(793) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindisfarne#Viking_raid_on_the...
- defrost 3y agoSweden | Norway | Denmark made #thuglife a thing across modern Scotland, northern and eastern England, much of Ireland, established DaneLaw, crashed the old Roman bathhouses, and turned Dublin into a major European slave teading hub. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danelaw https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danelaw The Danelaw originated from the invasion of *the Great Heathen Army* into England in the year 865, although the term was not used to describe a geographic area until the 11th century.
- arthur_sav 3y ago> I have zero worries about my safety. Ah nice. I guess there's no problem then.
- mrkeen 3y agoThere's relatively no problem. The hamburger and beer was worse for my health than the gangs. And it looks like tomorrow will be my first walk through snow for the season, so I'd better be cautious with that.
- arthur_sav 3y agoI beg to differ. Relatively for Sweden, there is a problem. But because you have not experienced it, you see no problem.
- toomuchtodo 3y agoAre they deporting immigrants (regardless of country of origin) involved in violent crimes? Genuine question. I know rehabilitation is different in Europe than the US, but there are likely resource constraints for attempting to do so at scale looking at trailing immigration volume.
- Scoundreller 3y agoGenerally, in any country, if your asylum/refugee claim is accepted, they won't deport you back to origin unless the situation you were escaping has resolved. (I'm guessing its generally asylum/refugee immigrants people are complaining about, not those from elsewhere in europe)
- toomuchtodo 3y agoThat’s unfortunate if an immigrant won’t assimilate responsibly into their host country and causes continuing harm through this policy. You’re just importing future prisoners and criminals. Refugees/immigrants/etc should be welcomed (I have sponsored refugees in the US), but violent crime must be prevented if someone runs out of chances. You need some recourse when you run out of options and people who have immigrated refuse to act in good faith. Immigration is a gift and a privilege.
- raphman 3y agoI assume you meant integrate instead of assimilate? I definitely want immigrants to integrate in our society (and am prepared to do this when I travel into another country). But I would not expect anyone to assimilate - which to my understanding means giving up their previous culture and take on the culture of the host country.
- toomuchtodo 3y agoYes, I used the word interchangeably, but I could see how assimilate could be construed in the fashion you mentioned.
- lm28469 3y ago> I just took the train into the city, had a burger & beer, and soon I'll train back home. I have zero worries about my safety. That's also the life of millions in Ukraine right now so your anecdote doesn't mean much Looking at the statistics and historical trends paint another picture, of course this isn't El Salvador, but it doesn't mean it's going in the right direction
- mrkeen 3y ago> That's also the life of millions in Ukraine right now so your anecdote doesn't mean much You're always right to question anecdote, but I call bullshit on the comparison to Ukraine. Crimea was taken. Borders are actively shifting. Nuclear attacks were a serious threat. I half-assedly considered actions I might take if the war spilled over here in some form. But looking at the article's scary graph: the badness has a bit-over-doubled between 2014-2022. So if you were hanging out with 6 of your friends in 2014 and concerned that one of you was going to be gunned down in the next year, you should have around that same level of concern when hanging out with 2-3 of your friends in 2022.
- jojobas 3y ago>Crimea was taken. Borders are actively shifting. Sure, but one can have a beer in a city towards the West and ride a train home just the same.
- tsss 3y agoThen maybe it's time for the thousands of Ukrainian refugees to go home already?
- dh2022 3y agoI live in western Washington. In the past couple of years I met some Ukrainians - for home related remodeling, help wit cleaning and cooking. I can tell you none of these people will go back to Ukraine. Their kids are already in public schools learning English and integrating in the society.
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- Throwfi44 3y agoTry to stay there for a month, in shady part of town! Current goverment is at least trying to police those places!
- tremon 3y agoCan you provide a list of which parts of which towns are shady, so I can avoid them?
- Throwfi44 3y agohttps://sverigesradio.se/artikel/three-new-districts-added-to-polices-list-of-vulnerable-areas https://sverigesradio.se/artikel/three-new-districts-added-t... I would stay there, I travel on budget, I am used to it from Cairo, and I am not female...
- mrkeen 3y agoI moved - sorry, immigrated - to Stockholm end of 2016. At that time the sensationalist media was reporting on 'no-go zones' - parts of town that even the police were too afraid to go to. One night I was sitting on the subway when a guy came and sat down opposite a girl, and started telling her he was gonna go check out one of these 'no-go zones'. His destination was östermalm.
- romafirst3 3y agoSounds like an awful place. From wikipedia. "Elegant Östermalm is known for its smart bars and restaurants on Stureplan square, and its cultural venues, such as the Swedish History Museum, displaying Viking weapons. Designer boutiques dot the area near Östermalms Saluhall, a food market known for traditional specialties like gravlax and smoked shrimp. Centered on the imposing National Library of Sweden, tranquil Humlegården park hosts plays in summer."
- alephnerd 3y agoYou can do the same for anywhere. For example Tenderloin: "Tenderloin in San Francisco is known for its cultural diversity - home to micro-neighborhoods representing the Vietnamese, Thai, Korean, Pakistani, Central Asian, and Yemeni communities. There is a bustling cultural scene with numerous live jazz bars, theaters where bands like The Rolling Stones and Beatles have headlined, and museums highlighting the historical numerous LGBT+ community". That said, Östermalm didn't feel bad when I visited. I think op is confusing Östermalm and Östberga.
- KomoD 3y agoSame, I don't feel unsafe.
- mongol 3y agoGood for you. I worry however. Not exactly for my own safety, but for where this is leading. It can become much worse if this trend is not forcefully dealt with.
- Levitz 3y ago>Anyway, the Right party pulled the balance of power from the Left and formed a centre/right coalition more than a year ago, because of all the bad people coming here and doing bad things. Weren't they going to fix this? While I do think problems are way overblown, I don't know if you realize, these issues take generations to fix. If there is one legitimate scary bit about immigration is that it has VERY long-reaching consequences. You can deport someone who just got there, you can't deport someone's grandkid, he has nowhere to return to.
- skywhopper 3y agoWhy would you want to deport someone’s grandkid?
- mrkeen 3y agoIf you split people into two groups "us" and "them", you can start devising separate laws for each group. But that's no longer an option in a couple of generations, because technically, they're one of "us" now.
- Levitz 3y agoBecause cultural differences have pushed him to crimes. For example. I'm Spanish. My neighbors are Moroccan. The father didn't once in his life acknowledge my mother. He wouldn't talk to her. He would ignore her if she talked. To him, my mother was barely a person because she was a woman. Now this is extreme, but legal behavior, if it ever came to pass that he crossed some lines he might have gotten deported. His son though? Stealing, selling drugs and beating his sisters are some of the things he has done, but he is a Spanish citizen, just like any other, so there is no magic "back to your country" card to play. My point is that it's legitimate to pick and choose who you let into a country because the consequences of doing so are far-reaching. Because even if you might be able to deal swiftly with the guy you let in, every human being takes culture with him, and culture spreads. Integration is the most important phase of immigration, along with making sure those people you let in aren't going to be pushed into a life of crime and I don't think anyone ignoring that is taking immigration seriously.
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- LudwigNagasena 3y ago> I just took the train into the city, had a burger & beer, and soon I'll train back home. I have zero worries about my safety. My grandma smoked since she was a teenager and she is still alive and has no cancer. I guess all tobacco research is just fear-mongering. > Weren't they going to fix this? Were they? I’ve read a summary of the Moderate Party manifesto (https://archive.is/v6IYb https://archive.is/v6IYb) and, well, it looked pretty moderate. It looks like those measures will simply prevent exacerbation of the problems rather than solve them in under a year. It’s not like they did something similar to the Salvadoran gang crackdown.
- wood_spirit 3y agoThe right campaigned on their tough on gangs stance. They made it the main topic of debate in the run up to the election, and filled all the interviews with it. They talked about nothing else. They scared the public into voting for them to solve the problem.
- jmprspret 3y agoThey were never going to fix it - they used it to their advantage to fear monger and sway votes in their favour. A tale as old as time.