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I do not quite understand the angle here. My impression is that they want to prevent accidental Vit D overdose by labelling products that contain it more aggres

I do not quite understand the angle here. My impression is that they want to prevent accidental Vit D overdose by labelling products that contain it more aggressively, but I'm not sure?

FrustratedMonky 3y ago
I agree, the article and all of the comments, seem to be contradictory enough that I've lost the thread of the point. Lot of people have Vit D Deficiency, yet others say in the US doctors don't understand it and loose their license by recommending it? But it seems to just be legal problems with labeling? What exactly is going on here.
- onetokeoverthe 3y ago
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- orwin 3y ago
  The original Anses publication is clearer: vitamin D in dosed medication = ok, vitamin D in supplements you can buy in store: Not OK.
LeeroyWasHere 3y ago
Same, it would of been helpful if they cited certain types of products that have such high dosage that could cause such overdose and under which circumstances and on what scale was this an issue. I was under the impression the absorption rate was so low, that it would take a massive oral ingestion to be concerning?
- LeeroyWasHere 3y ago
  Oh well, so it seems to be a very specific case. >Cases of vitamin D overdose have recently been reported in young children following the use of food supplements fortified with this vitamin. These cases present as hypercalcaemia (excessive calcium in the blood), which can have serious consequences on the kidneys such as lithiasis or nephrocalcinosis (calcium deposition in the kidneys). https://www.anses.fr/en/content/vitamin-d-children-use-medicines-and-not-food-supplements-prevent-risk-overdose https://www.anses.fr/en/content/vitamin-d-children-use-medic...
  - LooseMarmoset 3y ago
    I can tell you that I was diagnosed with low vitamin D, and was prescribed high doses to bring up my levels. This resulted in multiple bouts of kidney stones, which I can wholeheartedly not recommend. I don't take vitamin D supplements anymore.
    - Modified3019 3y ago
      Vitamin K2 and Magnesium are required for proper utilization of vitamin D. If they are not present, Calcium can build up in the bloodstream causing multiple possible issues. Were these prescribed along with it? If not, the doctor trying to naively solve a problem without any actual critical thinking. Which is understandable given the breadth of things they have to deal with, but unfortunate. Boron may be another significant required co-factor, but I’m not read up on that one. Basically all vitamins and minerals have very complex interactions, and if you start taking megadoses of one, then it can surprising effects like: * Cause accelerated utilization of a co-vitamin, causing low levels in these, and rendering the megadoses vitamin ineffective. * Block or bypass the pathways that utilize a vitamin, causing to high a levels of another vitamin. * Rendering measurably normal levels of a vitamin ineffective, through competition or exhaustion of the resources the secondary vitamin relies on. B vitamins for example have complex interactions with each other. I cannot offhand remember the specifics, but if I recall correctly things like “energy” drinks stuffed with megadoses of a vitamin can result in the symptoms of deficiency of another B vitamin despite having normal levels.
      - MrBuddyCasino 3y ago
        Prescribing Vit D without Vit K2 (and possibly) Magnesium is simply malpractice. I take Vit D myself and after a few minutes of googling it is abundantly clear that it should not be taken in isolation.
Wurdan 3y ago
If I’m reading the article correctly: some products such as some rodent toxins contain levels of vitamin D3 which are dangerous to humans. Under the new regulation, they will start getting warning labels to this effect. Meanwhile other government authorities are worried that this will make people scared of vitamin D. This is a problem, because vitamin D deficiency is itself a big health issue in Europe.

I do not quite understand the angle here. My impression is that they want to prevent accidental Vit D overdose by labelling products that contain it more aggressively, but I'm not sure?

FrustratedMonky 3y ago

I agree, the article and all of the comments, seem to be contradictory enough that I've lost the thread of the point. Lot of people have Vit D Deficiency, yet others say in the US doctors don't understand it and loose their license by recommending it? But it seems to just be legal problems with labeling? What exactly is going on here.

onetokeoverthe 3y ago
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orwin 3y ago
The original Anses publication is clearer: vitamin D in dosed medication = ok, vitamin D in supplements you can buy in store: Not OK.

LeeroyWasHere 3y ago

Same, it would of been helpful if they cited certain types of products that have such high dosage that could cause such overdose and under which circumstances and on what scale was this an issue. I was under the impression the absorption rate was so low, that it would take a massive oral ingestion to be concerning?

LeeroyWasHere 3y ago
Oh well, so it seems to be a very specific case. >Cases of vitamin D overdose have recently been reported in young children following the use of food supplements fortified with this vitamin. These cases present as hypercalcaemia (excessive calcium in the blood), which can have serious consequences on the kidneys such as lithiasis or nephrocalcinosis (calcium deposition in the kidneys). https://www.anses.fr/en/content/vitamin-d-children-use-medicines-and-not-food-supplements-prevent-risk-overdose https://www.anses.fr/en/content/vitamin-d-children-use-medic...
- LooseMarmoset 3y ago
  I can tell you that I was diagnosed with low vitamin D, and was prescribed high doses to bring up my levels. This resulted in multiple bouts of kidney stones, which I can wholeheartedly not recommend. I don't take vitamin D supplements anymore.
  - Modified3019 3y ago
    Vitamin K2 and Magnesium are required for proper utilization of vitamin D. If they are not present, Calcium can build up in the bloodstream causing multiple possible issues. Were these prescribed along with it? If not, the doctor trying to naively solve a problem without any actual critical thinking. Which is understandable given the breadth of things they have to deal with, but unfortunate. Boron may be another significant required co-factor, but I’m not read up on that one. Basically all vitamins and minerals have very complex interactions, and if you start taking megadoses of one, then it can surprising effects like: * Cause accelerated utilization of a co-vitamin, causing low levels in these, and rendering the megadoses vitamin ineffective. * Block or bypass the pathways that utilize a vitamin, causing to high a levels of another vitamin. * Rendering measurably normal levels of a vitamin ineffective, through competition or exhaustion of the resources the secondary vitamin relies on. B vitamins for example have complex interactions with each other. I cannot offhand remember the specifics, but if I recall correctly things like “energy” drinks stuffed with megadoses of a vitamin can result in the symptoms of deficiency of another B vitamin despite having normal levels.
    - MrBuddyCasino 3y ago
      Prescribing Vit D without Vit K2 (and possibly) Magnesium is simply malpractice. I take Vit D myself and after a few minutes of googling it is abundantly clear that it should not be taken in isolation.

Wurdan 3y ago

If I’m reading the article correctly: some products such as some rodent toxins contain levels of vitamin D3 which are dangerous to humans. Under the new regulation, they will start getting warning labels to this effect. Meanwhile other government authorities are worried that this will make people scared of vitamin D. This is a problem, because vitamin D deficiency is itself a big health issue in Europe.