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Strangely the outdoor swimming pools in Berlin are unique for a completely different reason. The one or two of them I visited were unique in that the patrons we

• seper8 3y ago
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  • llasse 3y ago
    That is such a cheap argument. I think the general “problem” is a bit exaggerated in the media - as a frequent visitor of the Berlin Freibäder I have not experienced any problems myself. However, the violence in my small home town city came mostly from German males with German ancestors. Toxic masculinity (and social injustice) seem to be a major driving the problematic behavior - not immigration. The majority of violence also here in Berlin comes from males. Also, my impression is that is if there is violent behavior coming from males (also in other situations) their background foremost is a rather low social status and not dependent on their passport or their ancestors’ origin. A well educated rich woman is less likely to show violent behavior than the poor uneducated man. I don’t know the difference of this between the German and the “Arab” (which is the group most people here blame rn) male of equal social status but id be very surprise to see a big difference if any significant at all..
• FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  > The one or two of them I visited were unique in that the patrons were frisked for weapons on the way in! I wonder what changed in German society?
  • cubefox 3y ago
    You are not supposed to say what changed recently.
    • the-dude 3y ago
      Since I am Dutch and thus locker, I can say it : influx of North African immigrants.
      • nicbou 3y ago
        Germany has very few NA immigrants. People like those above are hinting at muslim immigrants and asylum seekers. When you blow a dog whistle hard enough, it reaches frequencies everyone can hear.
        • the-dude 3y ago
          Are you saying I should have used the word asylum seeker instead of immigrant?
          • nicbou 3y ago
            I was referring to the grandparent comment.
            • the-dude 3y ago
              So what is the actual substance of your reply to me then?
              • FirmwareBurner 3y ago
                He doesn't like people talking about certain immigrants.
                • nicbou 3y ago
                  I'd actually be fine with it if you actually talked about whichever immigrants you have in mind instead of "certain immigrants".
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  • niemandhier 3y ago
    What changed in German society is that police and especially prosecution have been underfunded for years. For a law to be effective it is important that a transgression is addressed with high probability and low delay ( c.f. To Command and Persuade ). Two decades of Underfunding and therefore understaffing prosecution and courts means that is not the case anymore. The influx of immigrants is to a degree responsible for this, since it redirected large amounts of money. Interestingly, the severity of the punishment does not matter as much as it’s certainty. Increasing the punishment associated with a transgression is usually a consequence of the states inability to effectively enforce the existing laws. Ever increasing penalties e.g. for forms of sexual harassment can therefore be seen as an indicator of a gradual weakening of the executive and judicial branches.
• xg15 3y ago
  There was a series of brawls in some of the outdoor pools this summer, which together with the eternal fear of immigrants caused a media frenzy. (Berlin's pools where suddenly national news) This is probably the reaction to those events.
  • PicassoCTs 3y ago
    It will all work out fine, cause good intentions and idealism just force reality into pleasant shapes.. but then again, it is those who want it to work out fine, who constantly highlight group differences, preventing the melting pot from working. Its good that these places exist, merging the people into one meta-group identity (Menschen in Deutschland), its bad that people like you try to with the best intentions sabotage things by sweeping problems under the rug. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanese_Civil_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanese_Civil_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslav_Wars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslav_Wars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_civil_war https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_civil_war
    • naiv 3y ago
      Thank you for pointing out the Lebanese civil war. People have to read more into it to understand what is happening in Europe right now.
      • selimthegrim 3y ago
        Could you elaborate?
  • the-dude 3y ago
    This is not unique to Germany, we had similar incidents in The Netherlands.
    • naiv 3y ago
      It is also not unique to pools. You can not go to parks anymore after dawn, Düsseldorf, Cologne and more cities check for weapons if you want to go to the city on a weekend and have fun.