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As someone who has orchestrated two coups in different organizations, where the leadership did not align with the organization's interests and missions, I can a
by HAL3000 3y ago
As someone who has orchestrated two coups in different organizations, where the leadership did not align with the organization's interests and missions, I can assure you that the final stage of such a coup is not something that can be executed after just an hour of preparation or thought. It requires months of planning. The trigger is only pulled when there is sufficient evidence or justification for such action. Building support for a coup takes time and must be justified by a pattern of behavior from your opponent, not just a single action. Extensive backchanneling and one-on-one discussions are necessary to gauge where others stand, share your perspective, demonstrate how the person in question is acting against the organization's interests, and seek their support. Initially, this support is not for the coup, but rather to ensure alignment of views. Then, when something significant happens, everything is already in place. You've been waiting for that one decisive action to pull the trigger, which is why everything then unfolds so quickly.
- jacquesm 3y agoAll of this is spot on. The key to it all is 'if you strike at the king, you best not miss'.
- chaostheory 3y agoGoing off on a big tangent, but Jiang Zemin had made several failed assassination attempts on Xi Jinping, but he was still able to die of old age.
- ls612 3y agoBy assassination I assume you mean metaphorical? As in to derail his rise before becoming party leader?
- chaostheory 3y agoNo, literal attempts. One attempt involved a battleship “accidentally” firing onto another battleship where both Hu Jintao and Xi Jinping were visiting. https://jamestown.org/program/president-xi-suspects-political-conspiracy-behind-tianjin-blasts/ https://jamestown.org/program/president-xi-suspects-politica... Biased source, but she’s able to get a lot of unreported news from the mainland. https://www.jenniferzengblog.com/home/2021/9/20/deleted-report-assassination-plot-and-the-ccps-intensifying-power-struggles https://www.jenniferzengblog.com/home/2021/9/20/deleted-repo... I will try to find more sources but Google is just shit these days. See my other comment for more. A big problem is that mainland China is like the hermit kingdom. It’s a black hole for any news the CCP doesn’t want to get out
- wolverine876 3y agoSearch for search terms site:nytimes.com (or bbc.co.uk or ap.com or another trusted source)
- jacquesm 3y ago> One attempt involved a battleship “accidentally” firing onto another battleship where both Hu Jintao and Xi Jinping were visiting. Hm. That really does qualify as an assassination attempt if it wasn't an actual accident. Enough such things happen by accident that it has a name. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendly_fire https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendly_fire
- _tik_ 3y agoThese are FalungGong. I will not trust Falun Gong's news on China. They are known to create conspiracy stories.
- chris_wot 3y agoAgreed. Whilst I don’t trust China’s CCP, I sure as heck don’t trust anything from Falun Gong. Those guys are running an asymmetric battle against the Chinese State and frankly they would be capable of saying anything if it helped their cause.
- g42gregory 3y agoWhat is Falun Gong exactly? I never understood what they are.
- jacquesm 3y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falun_Gong https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falun_Gong No guarantees about NPOV on that page. See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Falun_Gong https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Falun_Gong If you want to see what makes WikiPedia tick that's a great place to start.
- g42gregory 3y ago
- user_named 3y agoNever heard about this before. Sources?
- chaostheory 3y agoGoogle is just really terrible these days. http://www.indiandefencereview.com/spotlights/xi-jinpings-fight-against-coups-and-assassination-bids/ http://www.indiandefencereview.com/spotlights/xi-jinpings-fi... http://www.settimananews.it/italia-europa-mondo/the-impossible-coup-against-xi-jinping/ http://www.settimananews.it/italia-europa-mondo/the-impossib... I will try to find better sources. There are more not so great articles in my other comment
- piuantiderp 3y agoYou can safely assume he still had sufficient power to be well protected.
- claytonjy 3y agoEven in the HBO show Succession, these things take a season, not an episode
- gota 3y agoI am extremely interested in hearing about these coups and your experience in them; if you'd like and are able to share
- emptysongglass 3y agoHow are you still hireable? If I knew you orchestrated two coups at previous companies and I was responsible for hiring, you would be radioactive to me. Especially knowing that all that effort went into putting together a successful coup over other work. Coups, in general, are the domain of the petty. One need only look at Ilya and D'Angelo to see this in action. D'Angelo neutered Quora by pushing out its co-founder, Charlie Cheever. If you're not happy with the way a company is doing business, your best action is to walk away.
- bear141 3y agoI agree completely. People should oppose openly or leave.
- andybak 3y agoAren't you taking sides in a fight without knowing which side was "right"? Or do you believe that loyalty trumps all other values? At this point I'm in danger of triggering Godwin's Law so I had better stop.
- bear141 3y agoMy comment was phrased inappropriately.
- oska 3y agoAs you are new here, I would urge you to read the site's Guidelines [1], which the tone & wording of your comment indicate you have not read. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- bear141 3y agoOk. Thank you.
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- silexia 3y agoI would never work with you. This is why investors have such a bad reputation. If I had not retained 100% ownership and control of my business, I am sure someone like you would have tossed me out by now. Focus on results, not political games.
- adastra22 3y agoUsername… checks out?
- ikekkdcjkfke 3y agoI feel like this is something that could be played out on a documentary about chimpanzies
- xeromal 3y agoWhat's funny is the board is already second-guessing themselves and might want Sam back. Sounds opposite of what you said here.