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I don’t see a world where MSFT invests more money into OpenAI with the current governance structure after this. The fact that MSFT didn’t have a board seat was

I don’t see a world where MSFT invests more money into OpenAI with the current governance structure after this. The fact that MSFT didn’t have a board seat was unusual before this. Now it just makes MSFT look like fools.

cedws 3y ago
Hopefully MSFT just goes off and does their own thing. I find this holier-than-thou "we're non profit and we're going to save the world how we see fit" irritating. Talking about AGI like it's an animal ready to pounce when we're quite obviously nowhere near it. Machine learning development has been sluggish for the longest time and the moment it was commercialised, there was an explosion in possibilities and development. "AI safety" is a euphemism for "aligns with our interests." "Roko's basilisk" is nonsense science fiction babble.
- SpicyLemonZest 3y ago
  Don't these events prove pretty conclusively that AI safety is not a euphemism for "aligns with our interests"? There's no way anyone at OpenAI could have expected to benefit professionally or financially from this.
  - cedws 3y ago
    It can also mean "does/doesn't do things as we see fit." They want to build a model without bias, but they've elected themselves as moderators.
    - SpicyLemonZest 3y ago
      This isn't about bias. Sutskever has recently been dedicated to what OpenAI calls "superalignment" (https://openai.com/blog/introducing-superalignment https://openai.com/blog/introducing-superalignment), the problem of future AI systems which don't do what humans want at all because they're too smart. You can dispute that research or its premises, but after it inspires a board coup at a billion dollar company, I don't think you can reasonably dispute that people believe it.
      - adastra22 3y ago
        A lot of very smart people believe some very stupid things throughout history. Doesn’t make them right.
- fullspectrumdev 3y ago
  AI safety basically is bullshit FUD spread by people hoping to gain a monopoly through regulatory capture. Or people who are mentally deficient and actually believe in rokos basilisk and its ilk.
davorak 3y ago
> The fact that MSFT didn’t have a board seat was unusual before this. Now it just makes MSFT look like fools. It is a 501(c)(3) even if they had all of the board members Open AI, Inc can not be run for MSFT benefit or for profit. A sympathetic board member might have tipped MSFT off about the firing ahead of time though.

cedws 3y ago

Hopefully MSFT just goes off and does their own thing. I find this holier-than-thou "we're non profit and we're going to save the world how we see fit" irritating. Talking about AGI like it's an animal ready to pounce when we're quite obviously nowhere near it. Machine learning development has been sluggish for the longest time and the moment it was commercialised, there was an explosion in possibilities and development. "AI safety" is a euphemism for "aligns with our interests." "Roko's basilisk" is nonsense science fiction babble.

SpicyLemonZest 3y ago
Don't these events prove pretty conclusively that AI safety is not a euphemism for "aligns with our interests"? There's no way anyone at OpenAI could have expected to benefit professionally or financially from this.
- cedws 3y ago
  It can also mean "does/doesn't do things as we see fit." They want to build a model without bias, but they've elected themselves as moderators.
  - SpicyLemonZest 3y ago
    This isn't about bias. Sutskever has recently been dedicated to what OpenAI calls "superalignment" (https://openai.com/blog/introducing-superalignment https://openai.com/blog/introducing-superalignment), the problem of future AI systems which don't do what humans want at all because they're too smart. You can dispute that research or its premises, but after it inspires a board coup at a billion dollar company, I don't think you can reasonably dispute that people believe it.
    - adastra22 3y ago
      A lot of very smart people believe some very stupid things throughout history. Doesn’t make them right.
fullspectrumdev 3y ago
AI safety basically is bullshit FUD spread by people hoping to gain a monopoly through regulatory capture. Or people who are mentally deficient and actually believe in rokos basilisk and its ilk.

davorak 3y ago

> The fact that MSFT didn’t have a board seat was unusual before this. Now it just makes MSFT look like fools. It is a 501(c)(3) even if they had all of the board members Open AI, Inc can not be run for MSFT benefit or for profit. A sympathetic board member might have tipped MSFT off about the firing ahead of time though.