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This is like a supervillain origin story, Greg and Sam are 100 % going to start something new now, even if it's just out of spite with how much both seem to hav

This is like a supervillain origin story, Greg and Sam are 100 % going to start something new now, even if it's just out of spite with how much both seem to have liked their work at OpenAI

karmasimida 3y ago
Greg seems to be much loved by OpenAI employees, and generally inspiring person.
saberience 3y ago
If they were popular at OpenAI, I would say they have a good chance of succeeding too. They could offer excellent equity packages to all the best engineers and researchers and due to the non-profit nature of OpenAI (and hence no equity), these people might be very tempted to leave.
- rlt 3y ago
  OpenAI is supposedly “capped profit” so employees do get equity with limited upside. But yeah, since Sam and Greg were apparently pushed out because they were building too good of a business any OpenAI employees that were aligned with them are likely to jump ship and join them, and OpenAI will revert to the non-profit research lab it started out as.
  - qwytw 3y ago
    Can they do that though? With all the obligations they have to MS.
  - throwuwu 3y ago
    They just fired OpenAI
atleastoptimal 3y ago
Would they even be able to compete with OpenAI at this point? Even without Greg and Sam they have Ilya, the models they've trained so far, institutional knowledge, datasets and billions from Microsoft. Could OpenAI be at escape velocity anyway to AGI just continuing on the track it's been on?
- akokanka 3y ago
  There are plenty of investors who would pour billions into these 2. MSFT got it's worth others want too.
- siva7 3y ago
  Microsoft got the models. And their compute infrastructure. They’re powerful enough to bleed openai out if it’s in their interest. I’m not sure if there is much trust between the new leadership and microsoft.
- mkl95 3y ago
  > Could OpenAI be at escape velocity anyway to AGI just continuing on the track it's been on? Could a nuclear energy company be at escape velocity to fusion because they are the best at fission? I wouldn't think so
- cherryteastain 3y ago
  OpenAI are not on the track to AGI
GaryNumanVevo 3y ago
I don't think its possible, at least for the foreseable future, they were heavily over indexed on Azure offering them discounted compute, not like they're gonna buy that amount of GPU elsewhere
- sanxiyn 3y ago
  On the other hand, Anthropic exists, so I am not sure.
- exitb 3y ago
  I can imagine both Apple and Google happily positioning themselves in the same type of relationship as OpenAI-Microsoft.
  - vineyardmike 3y ago
    Google had internal efforts, and Anthropic already. They definitely don’t have the compute to spare to split with another organization. Apple surely doesn’t have a cluster that at all compares with the big cloud giants. Oracle and AWS are really the only cloud left, and oracle is already renting to Microsoft for GPU compute.
    - nirav72 3y ago
      >Apple surely doesn’t have a cluster that at all compares with the big cloud giants. Apple has a lot of cash to throw at it. Question would be if Apple is even interested in it.
      - vineyardmike 3y ago
        The problem is that a significant amount of the already-made GPUs are in use. Even if they can afford to throw money at it, where is that money going to go? The best they can do is out-bid their competitors, for the competitors hardware. I'm sure apple doesn't want to pay Google for GCP resource to train an AI. Again, there may not be enough companies renting out GPUs at all.
lwhi 3y ago
ALDI vs. LIDL
- martijnvds 3y ago
  ALDI Nord vs Aldi Süd; Adidas vs Puma?
  - lwhi 3y ago
    Yes you're correct, thanks! Edit: apparently ALDI VS LIDL is an urban myth. It's ALDI that was split in two ..
    - schleck8 3y ago
      Aldi and Lidl are each other's biggest competitors. Aldi Süd and Nord don't really clash because there is only two markets where both are present: Germany, where they aren't competing though (split in North and South) and the US (Aldi vs. Trader Joe's). Every other country only has one of the two Aldis. Lidl on the other hand is present in most large markets alongside one of the Aldis.
- wavewrangler 3y ago
  Used to have a LIDL now we have an ALDI
boltzmann_brain 3y ago
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This is like a supervillain origin story, Greg and Sam are 100 % going to start something new now, even if it's just out of spite with how much both seem to have liked their work at OpenAI

karmasimida 3y ago

Greg seems to be much loved by OpenAI employees, and generally inspiring person.

saberience 3y ago

If they were popular at OpenAI, I would say they have a good chance of succeeding too. They could offer excellent equity packages to all the best engineers and researchers and due to the non-profit nature of OpenAI (and hence no equity), these people might be very tempted to leave.

rlt 3y ago
OpenAI is supposedly “capped profit” so employees do get equity with limited upside. But yeah, since Sam and Greg were apparently pushed out because they were building too good of a business any OpenAI employees that were aligned with them are likely to jump ship and join them, and OpenAI will revert to the non-profit research lab it started out as.
- qwytw 3y ago
  Can they do that though? With all the obligations they have to MS.
- throwuwu 3y ago
  They just fired OpenAI

atleastoptimal 3y ago

Would they even be able to compete with OpenAI at this point? Even without Greg and Sam they have Ilya, the models they've trained so far, institutional knowledge, datasets and billions from Microsoft. Could OpenAI be at escape velocity anyway to AGI just continuing on the track it's been on?

akokanka 3y ago
There are plenty of investors who would pour billions into these 2. MSFT got it's worth others want too.
siva7 3y ago
Microsoft got the models. And their compute infrastructure. They’re powerful enough to bleed openai out if it’s in their interest. I’m not sure if there is much trust between the new leadership and microsoft.
mkl95 3y ago
> Could OpenAI be at escape velocity anyway to AGI just continuing on the track it's been on? Could a nuclear energy company be at escape velocity to fusion because they are the best at fission? I wouldn't think so
cherryteastain 3y ago
OpenAI are not on the track to AGI

GaryNumanVevo 3y ago

I don't think its possible, at least for the foreseable future, they were heavily over indexed on Azure offering them discounted compute, not like they're gonna buy that amount of GPU elsewhere

sanxiyn 3y ago
On the other hand, Anthropic exists, so I am not sure.
exitb 3y ago
I can imagine both Apple and Google happily positioning themselves in the same type of relationship as OpenAI-Microsoft.
- vineyardmike 3y ago
  Google had internal efforts, and Anthropic already. They definitely don’t have the compute to spare to split with another organization. Apple surely doesn’t have a cluster that at all compares with the big cloud giants. Oracle and AWS are really the only cloud left, and oracle is already renting to Microsoft for GPU compute.
  - nirav72 3y ago
    >Apple surely doesn’t have a cluster that at all compares with the big cloud giants. Apple has a lot of cash to throw at it. Question would be if Apple is even interested in it.
    - vineyardmike 3y ago
      The problem is that a significant amount of the already-made GPUs are in use. Even if they can afford to throw money at it, where is that money going to go? The best they can do is out-bid their competitors, for the competitors hardware. I'm sure apple doesn't want to pay Google for GCP resource to train an AI. Again, there may not be enough companies renting out GPUs at all.

lwhi 3y ago

ALDI vs. LIDL

martijnvds 3y ago
ALDI Nord vs Aldi Süd; Adidas vs Puma?
- lwhi 3y ago
  Yes you're correct, thanks! Edit: apparently ALDI VS LIDL is an urban myth. It's ALDI that was split in two ..
  - schleck8 3y ago
    Aldi and Lidl are each other's biggest competitors. Aldi Süd and Nord don't really clash because there is only two markets where both are present: Germany, where they aren't competing though (split in North and South) and the US (Aldi vs. Trader Joe's). Every other country only has one of the two Aldis. Lidl on the other hand is present in most large markets alongside one of the Aldis.
wavewrangler 3y ago
Used to have a LIDL now we have an ALDI

boltzmann_brain 3y ago

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