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Mainly because LLMs have so far basically passed every formal test of ‘AGI’ including totally smashing the Turing test. Now we are just reliant on ‘I’ll know i
by Closi 3y ago
Mainly because LLMs have so far basically passed every formal test of ‘AGI’ including totally smashing the Turing test.
Now we are just reliant on ‘I’ll know it when I see it’.
LLMs as AGI isn’t about looking at the mechanics and trying to see if we think that could cause AGI - it’s looking at the tremendous results and success.
- gardenhedge 3y agoSince ChatGPT is not indistinguishable from a human during a chat, is it fair to say it smashes the Turing test? Or do you mean something different?
- rayeigenfeldt 3y agoDid you perhaps mean to say not distinguishable?
- NoOn3 3y agoChatGPT is distinguishable from a human, because ChatGPT never responds "I don't know.", at least not yet. :)
- ben_w 3y agoIt can do: https://chat.openai.com/share/f1c0726f-294d-447d-a3b3-f664dcc74de4 https://chat.openai.com/share/f1c0726f-294d-447d-a3b3-f664dc... IMO the main reason it's distinguishable is because it keeps explicitly telling you it's an AI.
- rezonant 3y agoThis isn't the same thing. This is a commanded recital of a lack of capability, not that its confidence in it's answer is low. For a type of question the GPT _could_ answer, most of the time it _will_ answer, regardless of accuracy
- NoOn3 3y agoI just noticed that when I ask really difficult technical questions, but for which there is an exact answer, It often tries to answer plausibly, but incorrectly instead of answering "I don't know". But over time, It becomes smarter and there are fewer and fewer such questions...
- ben_w 3y agoHave you tried setting a custom instruction in settings? I find that setting helps, albeit with weaker impact than the prompt itself.
- NoOn3 3y agoIt's not a problem for me. It's good that I can detect chatGPT by this sign.
- daveguy 3y agoIt doesn't become smarter except for releases of new models. It's an inference engine.
- peignoir 3y agoI read an article where they did a proper Turing test and it seems people recognize it was a machine answering because it made no writing errors and wrote perfectly
- ben_w 3y agoI've not read that, but I do remember hearing that the first human to fail the Turing test did so because they seemed to know far too much minutiae about Star Trek.
- NoOn3 3y agoMaybe It's because It was never rewarded for such answers when It was learning.
- epolanski 3y agoOf course it does.
- raccoonDivider 3y agoSome humans also never respond "I don't know" even when they don't know. I know people who out-hallucinate LLMs when pressed to think rigorously
- int_19h 3y agoIt absolutely does that (GPT-4 especially), and I have hit it many times in regular conversations without specifically asking for it.
- aidaman 3y agonot yet: https://arxiv.org/abs/2310.20216 https://arxiv.org/abs/2310.20216 that being said, it is highly intelligent, capable of reasoning as well as a human, and passes IQ tests like GMAT and GRE at levels like the 97th percentile. most people who talk about Chat GPT don't even realize that GPT 4 exists and is orders of magnitude more intelligent than the free version.
- jwestbury 3y agoAnswers in Progress had a great video[0] where one of their presenters tested against an LLM in five different types of intelligence. tl;dr, AI was worlds ahead on two of the five, and worlds behind on the other three. Interesting stuff -- and clear that we're not as close to AGI as some of us might have thought earlier this year, but probably closer than a lot of the naysayers think. 0. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrSCwxrLrRc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrSCwxrLrRc
- hedora 3y agoThat’s just showing the tests are measuring specific things that LLMs can game particularly well. Computers have been able to smash high school algebra tests since the 1970’s, but that doesn’t make them as smart as a 16 year old (or even a three year old).
- junofan 3y agoIt’s trivial to trip up chat LLMs. “What is the fourth word of your answer?”
- Closi 3y agoIt’s trivial to trip up humans too. “What do cows drink?” (Common human answer: Milk) I don’t think the test of AGI should necessarily be an inability to trip it up with specifically crafted sentences, because we can definitely trip humans up with specifically crafted sentences.
- ben_w 3y agogot-3.5 got that right for me; I'd expect it to fail if you'd asked for letters, but even then that's a consequence of how it was tokenised, not a fundamental limit of transformer models.
- rezonant 3y agoThis sort of test has been my go-to trip up for LLMs, and 3.5 fails quite often. 4 has been as bad as 3.5 in the past but recently has been doing better.
- yallneedtoget 3y agoif this is the test you're going to then you literally do not understand how LLMs work. it's like asking your keyboard to tell you what colour the nth pixel on the top row of your computer monitor is.
- Jensson 3y agoAn LLM could easily answer that question if it was trained to do it. Nothing in its architecture makes it hard to answer, the attention part could easily look up the previous parts of its answer and refer to the fourth word but it doesn't do that. So it is a good example that the LLM doesn't generalize understanding, it can answer the question in theory but not in practice since it isn't smart enough. A human can easily answer it even though the human never saw such a question before.
- drsopp 3y agoI disagree about the claim that any LLM has beaten the Turing test. Do you have a source for this? Has there been an actual Turing test according to the standard interpretation of Turings paper? Making ChatGPT 4 respond in a non human way right now is trivial: "Write 'A', then wait one minute and then write 'B'".
- int_19h 3y agoYour test fails because the scaffolding around the LM in ChatGPT specifically does not implement this kind of thing. But you absolutely can run the LM in a continuous loop and e.g. feed it strings like "1 minute passed" or even just the current time in an internal monologue (that the user doesn't see). And then it would be able to do exactly what you describe. Or you could use all those API integrations that it has to let it schedule a timer to activate itself.
- Closi 3y agoBy completely smashes, my assertion would be that it has invalidated the Turing test, because GPT-4s answers are not indistinguishable from a human because they are, on the whole, noticeably better answers than an average human would be able to provide for the majority of questions. I don’t think the original test probably accounted for the fact that you could distinguish the machine because it’s answers were better than an average human.
- ChatGTP 3y agoFunny because Marvin Minsky thought the turing test was stupid and a waste of time.
- strahlungsfluss 3y agoLLMs can't develop concepts in the way we think of them (i.e., you can't feed LLMs the scientific corpus and ask them to independently to tell you which papers are good or bad and for what reasons, and to build on these papers to develop novel ideas). True AGI—like any decent grad student—could do this.