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So it looks like they did something good.

• konschubert 3y ago
  If you want AI to fail, then yes.
  • uoaei 3y ago
    Melodrama has no place in the AI utopia.
    • mcpackieh 3y ago
      The only thing utopian ideologies are good for is finding 'justifications' for murder. The "AI utopia" will be no different. De-radicalize yourself while you still can.
      • passwordoops 3y ago
        Utopian ideologies are also useful when raising funds from SoftBank and ARK
      • concordDance 3y ago
        > The only thing utopian ideologies are good for is finding 'justifications' for murder. This seems more like your personal definition of "utopian ideology" than an actual observation of the world we live in.
        • ddj231 3y ago
          It seems like an observation to me. Let’s take the Marxist utopian ideology. It led to 40 - 60 million dead in the Soviet Union (Gulag Archipelago is an eye opening read). And 40 - 80 million dead in Mao Zedong’s China. It’s hard to even wrap my mind around that amount of people dead. Then a smaller example in Matthia’s cult in the “Kingdom Of Matthias” book. Started around the same time as Mormonism. Which led to a murder. Or the Peoples Temple cult with 909 dead in mass suicide. The communal aspects of these give away their “utopian ideology” I’d like to hear where you’re coming from. I have a Christian worldview, so when I look at these movements it seems they have an obvious presupposition on human nature (that with the right systems in place people will act perfectly — so it is the systems that are flawed not the people themselves). Utopia is inherently religious, and I’d say it is the human desire to have heaven on earth — but gone about in the wrong ways. Because humans are flawed, no economic system or communal living in itself can bring about the utopian ideal.
          • ethbr1 3y ago
            Kibbutz?
          • concordDance 3y ago
            You could also credit Marxism for workers rights. Having utopian ideologies NEVER doing good in the world would require some very careful boundary drawing.
          • kelseyfrog 3y ago
            Huh, I've read Marx and I dont see the utopianism you're referencing. What I do see is "classism is the biggest humanitarian crisis of our age," and "solving the class problem will improve people's lives," but no where do I see that non-class problem will cease to exist. People will still fight, get upset, struggle, just not on class terms. Maybe you read a different set of Marx's writing. Share your reading list if possible.
            • ddj231 3y ago
              This article gives a clear view on Marx’s vs. Engel’s view of Utopianism vs. other utopian socialists [1]. That Marx was not opposed to utopianism per se, but rather when the ideas of the utopia did not come from the proletariat. Yet you’re right in that he was opposed to the view of the other utopian socialist, and there is tension in the views of the different socialist thinkers in that time. (I do disagree on the idea that refusing to propose an ideal negates one from in practice having a utopic vision) That said my comment was looking mainly at the result of Marxist ideology in practice. In practice millions of lives were lost in an attempt to create an idealized world. Here is a good paper on Stalin’s utopian ideal [2]. [1] https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.7312/chro17958.7?searchText=Marx+and+Utopia&searchUri=%2Faction%2FdoBasicSearch%3FQuery%3DMarx%2Band%2BUtopia&ab_segments=0%2Fbasic_search_gsv2%2Fcontrol&refreqid=fastly-default%3Abf3b1ba8011e648925eb533b8e71589e&seq=6 https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.7312/chro17958.7?searchText=... [2] https://www.jstor.org/stable/3143688?seq=1 https://www.jstor.org/stable/3143688?seq=1
              • kelseyfrog 3y ago
  • killerstorm 3y ago
    Yeah, AI will totally fail if people don't ship untested crap at breakneck speed. Shipping untested crap is the only known way to develop technology. Your AI assistant hallucinates? Amazing. We gotta bring more chaos to the world, the world is not chaotic enough!!
    • fennecbutt 3y ago
      Nobody's forcing anybody to use these tools. They'll improve hallucinations and such later. Imagine people not driving the model T cause it didn't have an airbag lmao. Things take time to be developed and perfected.
      • roguecoder 3y ago
        The model T killed a _lot_ of people, and almost certainly should have been banned: https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan-history/2015/04/26/auto-traffic-history-detroit/26312107/ https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan-histor... If it had been, we wouldn't now be facing an extinction event.
    • konschubert 3y ago
      Yea, change is bad.
      • FeepingCreature 3y ago
        Numerically, most change is bad.
        • skohan 3y ago
          And yet we make progress. It seems we've historically mostly been effective at hanging on to positive change, and discarding negative change
          • FeepingCreature 3y ago
• flappyeagle 3y ago
  Yes. They freed Sam and Greg from their shackles and gave a clear indicator that OAI engineers should jump ship into their new venture. We all win.
  • willieram 3y ago
    Perhaps joining Bret Taylor and his friend from Google X? Can’t imagine what those brains might come up with.