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This is perfect for Google. When your enemy (OpenAI) is making a massive mistake, don't interrupt them.

by rvz 3y ago

bigtunacan 3y ago
You're not wrong. Bard is lagging bad. Depending on how much of a shit show this becomes it may present a catch-up opportunity.
paulddraper 3y ago
Seriously...not saying Google had anything to do with this, but if they ever did it'd be the highest ROI ever
- jlpom 3y ago
  While we're on conspiracy theories, Elon Musk would have more motives (they seem to not be in good acquaintances nowadays based on their Twitter profiles and he also has a competing LLM (Grok)), such a games of thrones petty revenge from him would be less surprising than from Google. But Ilya convincing the rest of the board seems much more realistic.
patmorgan23 3y ago
You hire the guy they just kicked out!
- edgyquant 3y ago
  Why would they need him? The guy that forced him out is the one with the technical chops and a world class engineering. They don’t need a salesman
  - jakderrida 3y ago
    >They don’t need a salesman I think you may be underestimating the value of someone brokering deals with mega-corps like Microsoft and managing to raise revenue and capital from various sources to finance the ongoing costs to stay at the top. Bear in mind that I'm not saying their decision was wrong. It's possible his forte is limited to building companies at early stages. Richard Branson was known for being better at building companies early on and indifferent to managing them as cash cows. It would also align with Altman's background with YCombinator.
aerhardt 3y ago
How much is Altman contributing to product, though? Product in its broadest sense - not only improving LLM performance and breadth but applications, or "productization": new APIs, ChatGPT, enterprise capabilities, etc.? I think Altman is a brilliant guy and surely he'll fall on his feet, but I think it's legitimate to ask to what extent he's responsible for many of us using ChatGPT every single day for the last year.
- jakderrida 3y ago
  While we can't know what a future with him remaining CEO would look like, what I do know is that I, along with many far more knowledgeable of language models, thought he was a lunatic for leaving YCombinator in 2020 to raise ludicrous amounts of money and devote it to training the world's most advanced autocomplete. Does that mean he still possesses seemingly prophetic insight into the future of generative models? I have no clue. All I know is that many knowledgeable people (and myself) vastly underestimated him before and we were dead wrong. Even if OpenAI's decision is wrong and he possesses such level of insight, it doesn't matter because it would mean he doesn't need them. If he's a one-trick pony whose vision for the future ends at 2023, then they made the right decision.
- amne 3y ago
  I may be in minority here but I tried using this thing for coding. It's horrible. Bootstrapping (barely) a basic API that even a scaffolding tool from 10 years ago can do is not something I would brag about. If you need anything more complicated that involves 1 or 2 if statements .. good luck.
  - aerhardt 3y ago
    I wholeheartedly disagree with this, GPT4 has become an indispensable coding sidekick for me. Yes it needs rigorous coaxing and nudging, and sometimes it hallucinates, but I’ve also seen it produce great things that have saved me dozens or hundreds of hours of work this year. Including non-trivial code with far more than two if blocks.
    - 3y ago
newshorts 3y ago
Exactly, I have to weigh whether this means I unwind some google shorts, or if the cat is out of the bag and google is still in trouble. Can’t tell, but this news is a pain in my a$$ Thanks for the drama openai.
- snoman 3y ago
  This might be good for Amazon. Bedrock hosts competitor models (Claude, Llama and a couple more).

This is perfect for Google. When your enemy (OpenAI) is making a massive mistake, don't interrupt them.

by rvz 3y ago

This is perfect for Google. When your enemy (OpenAI) is making a massive mistake, don't interrupt them.

You're not wrong. Bard is lagging bad. Depending on how much of a shit show this becomes it may present a catch-up opportunity.

paulddraper 3y ago

Seriously...not saying Google had anything to do with this, but if they ever did it'd be the highest ROI ever

jlpom 3y ago
While we're on conspiracy theories, Elon Musk would have more motives (they seem to not be in good acquaintances nowadays based on their Twitter profiles and he also has a competing LLM (Grok)), such a games of thrones petty revenge from him would be less surprising than from Google. But Ilya convincing the rest of the board seems much more realistic.

patmorgan23 3y ago

You hire the guy they just kicked out!

edgyquant 3y ago
Why would they need him? The guy that forced him out is the one with the technical chops and a world class engineering. They don’t need a salesman
- jakderrida 3y ago
  >They don’t need a salesman I think you may be underestimating the value of someone brokering deals with mega-corps like Microsoft and managing to raise revenue and capital from various sources to finance the ongoing costs to stay at the top. Bear in mind that I'm not saying their decision was wrong. It's possible his forte is limited to building companies at early stages. Richard Branson was known for being better at building companies early on and indifferent to managing them as cash cows. It would also align with Altman's background with YCombinator.

aerhardt 3y ago

How much is Altman contributing to product, though? Product in its broadest sense - not only improving LLM performance and breadth but applications, or "productization": new APIs, ChatGPT, enterprise capabilities, etc.? I think Altman is a brilliant guy and surely he'll fall on his feet, but I think it's legitimate to ask to what extent he's responsible for many of us using ChatGPT every single day for the last year.

jakderrida 3y ago
While we can't know what a future with him remaining CEO would look like, what I do know is that I, along with many far more knowledgeable of language models, thought he was a lunatic for leaving YCombinator in 2020 to raise ludicrous amounts of money and devote it to training the world's most advanced autocomplete. Does that mean he still possesses seemingly prophetic insight into the future of generative models? I have no clue. All I know is that many knowledgeable people (and myself) vastly underestimated him before and we were dead wrong. Even if OpenAI's decision is wrong and he possesses such level of insight, it doesn't matter because it would mean he doesn't need them. If he's a one-trick pony whose vision for the future ends at 2023, then they made the right decision.
amne 3y ago
I may be in minority here but I tried using this thing for coding. It's horrible. Bootstrapping (barely) a basic API that even a scaffolding tool from 10 years ago can do is not something I would brag about. If you need anything more complicated that involves 1 or 2 if statements .. good luck.
- aerhardt 3y ago
  I wholeheartedly disagree with this, GPT4 has become an indispensable coding sidekick for me. Yes it needs rigorous coaxing and nudging, and sometimes it hallucinates, but I’ve also seen it produce great things that have saved me dozens or hundreds of hours of work this year. Including non-trivial code with far more than two if blocks.
  - 3y ago

newshorts 3y ago

Exactly, I have to weigh whether this means I unwind some google shorts, or if the cat is out of the bag and google is still in trouble. Can’t tell, but this news is a pain in my a$$ Thanks for the drama openai.

snoman 3y ago
This might be good for Amazon. Bedrock hosts competitor models (Claude, Llama and a couple more).