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If we look at Critical Theory in practise, as taught to students, here is what we have: https://crittheory.ucdavis.edu https://crittheory.ucdavis.edu "We are

by xcv123 3y ago

If we look at Critical Theory in practise, as taught to students, here is what we have: https://crittheory.ucdavis.edu https://crittheory.ucdavis.edu "We are united by no single set of presuppositions but, rather, by a shared commitment to close reading, rigorous thinking, and the pursuit of what Marx famously called “a ruthless critique of everything that exists.” And it goes on to a list a bunch of Cultural Marxist bullshit. It is basically Neo-Marxism. Indoctrination into their twisted belief system and political revolutionary ideology. "Critical" as in rejecting and overthrowing the established order of things to make way for their bullshit utopian vision of society. I reject it outright. You are entitled to disagree. This is just my personal opinion.

orwin 3y ago
> Critical" as in rejecting and overthrowing the established order of things Exactly what I'm talking about. Look, it seems you are passionate about it, but you act like CT modern/young proponents. Critical Theory is overblown, because of its limited praxis and because it is mostly symbolism, signaling. It should have died 30 years ago. And yes, the same signaling as in 'virtue signaling' (this is also a neo-marxist/postmodern word btw). By engaging in both (mostly) wrong and superficial criticism, you are signaling yourself, and seems to attribute to CT a power, reach it does not have, not really. You are attacking symbols and representation, but not the idea itself (which is totally part of my criticism of CT), thus your criticism is unactionable (has no praxis, see the similarity?), and you won't convince anyone using it as a cornerstone of their research that they're wrong. Admittedly, if someone use it as a cornerstone of their research, that research won't go that far, or is pseudoscientific (psychoanalysis), but using it as a limited tool is alright. [edit] and according to the site you linked, it is taught to doctoral students, which is fair, I think at that level most people know to use a tool like that.
- xcv123 3y ago
  Meanwhile in the real world we now have 4 year olds reading this evil product of Cultural Marxism. Just one small example. Many states have legislated against it because it is becoming an actual problem for society. https://x.com/ada_akpala/status/1680152633737093120?s=20 https://x.com/ada_akpala/status/1680152633737093120?s=20
  - ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
    that's the same nonsense you posted earlier, so here is the same response to it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38320042 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38320042 p.s. you sure seem to say marxism a lot, are you sure you know what it means? You haven't actually articulated any specific complaints about it, other than you don't like it because it criticizes systemic racism or something? Or that it seeks change? That'd be good if true, not bad, obviously. For example, here's a quote from you: > "And it goes on to a list a bunch of Cultural Marxist bullshit. It is basically Neo-Marxism. Indoctrination into their twisted belief system and political revolutionary ideology. "Critical" as in rejecting and overthrowing the established order of things to make way for their bullshit utopian vision of society." rephrased without fox news scare jargon: > It teaches people about the world so they can make it better So scary! So horrible!! :)
    - xcv123 3y ago
      > p.s. you sure seem to say marxism a lot, Marx is referenced constantly throughout all university curriculum on Critical Theory. He is a foundational thinker in the field. I quoted one example in one of the above comments in this thread you are replying to, which you obviously did not read. Try actually reading something before replying. https://crittheory.ucdavis.edu https://crittheory.ucdavis.edu To insist that Marx and his revolutionary ideology has nothing to do with Critical Theory makes you look incredibly stupid and ignorant here, especially to students and lecturers of CT.
      - ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
        You actually never responded to the very first sentence, so here's a link to that post again: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38320042 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38320042 In your flagged response to the above post, you admit to lying to make your point (incidentally, if your claims were true, you wouldn't need to lie), then you attacked me for pointing out you lied, then you insulted autistic people, then you attacked me again. Are you sure you're on the right site? Maybe gab or truth social would make you feel at home? Either way, keep it classy, the rest of us will keep making the world better regardless of your crazy conspiracy theories copied from random hard right conspiracy theorists' tweets, or gabs, or whatever.

by xcv123 3y ago

orwin 3y ago

> Critical" as in rejecting and overthrowing the established order of things Exactly what I'm talking about. Look, it seems you are passionate about it, but you act like CT modern/young proponents. Critical Theory is overblown, because of its limited praxis and because it is mostly symbolism, signaling. It should have died 30 years ago. And yes, the same signaling as in 'virtue signaling' (this is also a neo-marxist/postmodern word btw). By engaging in both (mostly) wrong and superficial criticism, you are signaling yourself, and seems to attribute to CT a power, reach it does not have, not really. You are attacking symbols and representation, but not the idea itself (which is totally part of my criticism of CT), thus your criticism is unactionable (has no praxis, see the similarity?), and you won't convince anyone using it as a cornerstone of their research that they're wrong. Admittedly, if someone use it as a cornerstone of their research, that research won't go that far, or is pseudoscientific (psychoanalysis), but using it as a limited tool is alright. [edit] and according to the site you linked, it is taught to doctoral students, which is fair, I think at that level most people know to use a tool like that.

xcv123 3y ago
Meanwhile in the real world we now have 4 year olds reading this evil product of Cultural Marxism. Just one small example. Many states have legislated against it because it is becoming an actual problem for society. https://x.com/ada_akpala/status/1680152633737093120?s=20 https://x.com/ada_akpala/status/1680152633737093120?s=20
- ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
  that's the same nonsense you posted earlier, so here is the same response to it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38320042 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38320042 p.s. you sure seem to say marxism a lot, are you sure you know what it means? You haven't actually articulated any specific complaints about it, other than you don't like it because it criticizes systemic racism or something? Or that it seeks change? That'd be good if true, not bad, obviously. For example, here's a quote from you: > "And it goes on to a list a bunch of Cultural Marxist bullshit. It is basically Neo-Marxism. Indoctrination into their twisted belief system and political revolutionary ideology. "Critical" as in rejecting and overthrowing the established order of things to make way for their bullshit utopian vision of society." rephrased without fox news scare jargon: > It teaches people about the world so they can make it better So scary! So horrible!! :)
  - xcv123 3y ago
    > p.s. you sure seem to say marxism a lot, Marx is referenced constantly throughout all university curriculum on Critical Theory. He is a foundational thinker in the field. I quoted one example in one of the above comments in this thread you are replying to, which you obviously did not read. Try actually reading something before replying. https://crittheory.ucdavis.edu https://crittheory.ucdavis.edu To insist that Marx and his revolutionary ideology has nothing to do with Critical Theory makes you look incredibly stupid and ignorant here, especially to students and lecturers of CT.
    - ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
      You actually never responded to the very first sentence, so here's a link to that post again: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38320042 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38320042 In your flagged response to the above post, you admit to lying to make your point (incidentally, if your claims were true, you wouldn't need to lie), then you attacked me for pointing out you lied, then you insulted autistic people, then you attacked me again. Are you sure you're on the right site? Maybe gab or truth social would make you feel at home? Either way, keep it classy, the rest of us will keep making the world better regardless of your crazy conspiracy theories copied from random hard right conspiracy theorists' tweets, or gabs, or whatever.