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Do people just find these facts inconvenient? Unbelievable.

kristopolous 3y ago
It went deep into the negatives for a bit. Often, at least with me, people mistake my efforts at sincere analysis as some kind of advocacy. I'm an American. I've never been to China or seen one of these Chinese electric cars in person but everything suggests they're on their way to a formidable auto industry in the electric and city-car/light use space - the demographic that Honda and Toyota captured in the 70s and 80s. Of course if you've done any traveling you'd find many countries have a national auto-manufacturer that's deeply popular in country without much penetration outside (take Vinfast or Saipa for instance) and the Chinese auto companies have yet to prove they can stake a foothold outside of their home country at the Kia or Mercedes level but they just started. BYD just entered Japan under 2 months ago and XPeng entered Europe only about 6 months ago. Time will tell, but we could be seeing the very early stage of Chinese auto brands becoming household names.
- throwaway4good 3y ago
  Most of the Teslas sold around the world, not the US, are made in China. As it looks now (in Europe); the stigma associated with China is very strong and the brands that succeed likely will be western (at least in name) but made in China.
  - kristopolous 3y ago
    Such as volvo. The "ownership" is kind of a weird thing ... for my interests I think it's where was it mostly designed and tested. GM is involved with Wuling for instance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAIC-GM-Wuling https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAIC-GM-Wuling but I think we call this Chinese, right? Transnational industrial capitalism is weird like that.
  - qwytw 3y ago
    > succeed likely will be western (at least in name) but made in China Not if they increase tariffs beyond the measly 10%. Which they should.
- Garvi 3y ago
  Racism against US economic rivals has been the MO for decades on western social media. It's certainly widely known that the US has "embedded operatives" at the biggest tech firms. This is what they do with their time. Censor anyone that doesn't get dogpiled. The dogpiles then serve as a deterrent. I will never forget the racist "covid in russia" threads in /r/worldnews. Weekly renewed threads, old ones deleted, full of people expressing their hopes for a high number of covid deaths in Asia. Some used innuendo, some were quite direct. They were all rewarded with happy points. History will treat these sites as the he modern equivalent of the hitler youth. For instance the recent US invasion and occupation of parts of Syria seems to be completely missing from peoples memories. Were Americans simply not informed in the first place? We got millions of Syrian refugees into the EU.
  - kristopolous 3y ago
    The term for this generally is american exceptionalism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_exceptionalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_exceptionalism Essentially the US pretends like it's the only country. It's softened in the past 20 years with the rise of the internet but the bubble used to be extremely strong when I was younger.
    - Garvi 3y ago
      Interesting. I studied propaganda academically (communicology studies) and would have argued it's gotten worse in the last 20 years, due to new technologies. That is not a strong opinion of mine and your post made me think. I'd like to better understand your point. Are you US American? Are you talking about cold-war propaganda as having been worse or the post 911 hysteria?
      - bavell 3y ago
        American here, it has vastly eroded in the past two decades among the younger generations.
        Garvi 3y ago

It went deep into the negatives for a bit. Often, at least with me, people mistake my efforts at sincere analysis as some kind of advocacy. I'm an American. I've never been to China or seen one of these Chinese electric cars in person but everything suggests they're on their way to a formidable auto industry in the electric and city-car/light use space - the demographic that Honda and Toyota captured in the 70s and 80s. Of course if you've done any traveling you'd find many countries have a national auto-manufacturer that's deeply popular in country without much penetration outside (take Vinfast or Saipa for instance) and the Chinese auto companies have yet to prove they can stake a foothold outside of their home country at the Kia or Mercedes level but they just started. BYD just entered Japan under 2 months ago and XPeng entered Europe only about 6 months ago. Time will tell, but we could be seeing the very early stage of Chinese auto brands becoming household names.

throwaway4good 3y ago
Most of the Teslas sold around the world, not the US, are made in China. As it looks now (in Europe); the stigma associated with China is very strong and the brands that succeed likely will be western (at least in name) but made in China.
- kristopolous 3y ago
  Such as volvo. The "ownership" is kind of a weird thing ... for my interests I think it's where was it mostly designed and tested. GM is involved with Wuling for instance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAIC-GM-Wuling https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAIC-GM-Wuling but I think we call this Chinese, right? Transnational industrial capitalism is weird like that.
- qwytw 3y ago
  > succeed likely will be western (at least in name) but made in China Not if they increase tariffs beyond the measly 10%. Which they should.
Garvi 3y ago
Racism against US economic rivals has been the MO for decades on western social media. It's certainly widely known that the US has "embedded operatives" at the biggest tech firms. This is what they do with their time. Censor anyone that doesn't get dogpiled. The dogpiles then serve as a deterrent. I will never forget the racist "covid in russia" threads in /r/worldnews. Weekly renewed threads, old ones deleted, full of people expressing their hopes for a high number of covid deaths in Asia. Some used innuendo, some were quite direct. They were all rewarded with happy points. History will treat these sites as the he modern equivalent of the hitler youth. For instance the recent US invasion and occupation of parts of Syria seems to be completely missing from peoples memories. Were Americans simply not informed in the first place? We got millions of Syrian refugees into the EU.
- kristopolous 3y ago
  The term for this generally is american exceptionalism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_exceptionalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_exceptionalism Essentially the US pretends like it's the only country. It's softened in the past 20 years with the rise of the internet but the bubble used to be extremely strong when I was younger.
  - Garvi 3y ago
    Interesting. I studied propaganda academically (communicology studies) and would have argued it's gotten worse in the last 20 years, due to new technologies. That is not a strong opinion of mine and your post made me think. I'd like to better understand your point. Are you US American? Are you talking about cold-war propaganda as having been worse or the post 911 hysteria?
    - bavell 3y ago
      American here, it has vastly eroded in the past two decades among the younger generations.
      - Garvi 3y ago