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Greg just quit too: https://twitter.com/gdb/status/1725667410387378559 https://twitter.com/gdb/status/1725667410387378559
by bluedevilzn 3y ago
Greg just quit too: https://twitter.com/gdb/status/1725667410387378559 https://twitter.com/gdb/status/1725667410387378559
- rvz 3y agoThis is perfect for Google. When your enemy (OpenAI) is making a massive mistake, don't interrupt them.
- bigtunacan 3y agoYou're not wrong. Bard is lagging bad. Depending on how much of a shit show this becomes it may present a catch-up opportunity.
- paulddraper 3y agoSeriously...not saying Google had anything to do with this, but if they ever did it'd be the highest ROI ever
- jlpom 3y agoWhile we're on conspiracy theories, Elon Musk would have more motives (they seem to not be in good acquaintances nowadays based on their Twitter profiles and he also has a competing LLM (Grok)), such a games of thrones petty revenge from him would be less surprising than from Google. But Ilya convincing the rest of the board seems much more realistic.
- patmorgan23 3y agoYou hire the guy they just kicked out!
- edgyquant 3y agoWhy would they need him? The guy that forced him out is the one with the technical chops and a world class engineering. They don’t need a salesman
- jakderrida 3y ago>They don’t need a salesman I think you may be underestimating the value of someone brokering deals with mega-corps like Microsoft and managing to raise revenue and capital from various sources to finance the ongoing costs to stay at the top. Bear in mind that I'm not saying their decision was wrong. It's possible his forte is limited to building companies at early stages. Richard Branson was known for being better at building companies early on and indifferent to managing them as cash cows. It would also align with Altman's background with YCombinator.
- aerhardt 3y agoHow much is Altman contributing to product, though? Product in its broadest sense - not only improving LLM performance and breadth but applications, or "productization": new APIs, ChatGPT, enterprise capabilities, etc.? I think Altman is a brilliant guy and surely he'll fall on his feet, but I think it's legitimate to ask to what extent he's responsible for many of us using ChatGPT every single day for the last year.
- jakderrida 3y agoWhile we can't know what a future with him remaining CEO would look like, what I do know is that I, along with many far more knowledgeable of language models, thought he was a lunatic for leaving YCombinator in 2020 to raise ludicrous amounts of money and devote it to training the world's most advanced autocomplete. Does that mean he still possesses seemingly prophetic insight into the future of generative models? I have no clue. All I know is that many knowledgeable people (and myself) vastly underestimated him before and we were dead wrong. Even if OpenAI's decision is wrong and he possesses such level of insight, it doesn't matter because it would mean he doesn't need them. If he's a one-trick pony whose vision for the future ends at 2023, then they made the right decision.
- amne 3y agoI may be in minority here but I tried using this thing for coding. It's horrible. Bootstrapping (barely) a basic API that even a scaffolding tool from 10 years ago can do is not something I would brag about. If you need anything more complicated that involves 1 or 2 if statements .. good luck.
- aerhardt 3y agoI wholeheartedly disagree with this, GPT4 has become an indispensable coding sidekick for me. Yes it needs rigorous coaxing and nudging, and sometimes it hallucinates, but I’ve also seen it produce great things that have saved me dozens or hundreds of hours of work this year. Including non-trivial code with far more than two if blocks.
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- newshorts 3y agoExactly, I have to weigh whether this means I unwind some google shorts, or if the cat is out of the bag and google is still in trouble. Can’t tell, but this news is a pain in my a$$ Thanks for the drama openai.
- snoman 3y agoThis might be good for Amazon. Bedrock hosts competitor models (Claude, Llama and a couple more).
- soderfoo 3y agoI think that clears up the personal indiscretion theory. If others are willing to voluntarily follow you out, I would say it points to some internal power struggle that underlies this whole affair.
- ascar 3y agoHe was removed from the board though. This isn't entirely voluntary and out of the blue.
- kmlevitt 3y agoRight but if the true issue was with a major and unambiguously bad transgression by Sam and Sam alone (e.g., there was a major leak of data and he lied about it, etc), why would they go after his ally as well? It makes the whole thing look more political rather than a principled “we had no choice“ reaction to a wrongdoing.
- jlpom 3y agoIt's possible that he may have defended him enough that the board did no longer entrust him to remain on it.
- jakderrida 3y agoI think he's just saying that Brockman leaving sort of rules out scandalous revelations about Altman being the cause. Think about it. For Brockman to voluntarily align himself on the side of the man before scandalous revelations about him hit the news cycle would seem absurd and unnecessarily destroy his reputation also. Before news of Brockman leaving, I was near certain it had to be upcoming scandalous revelations about Altman.
- TillE 3y agoIt is not at all uncommon for people to staunchly defend their friends, even after they have done terrible things. I don't think this rules out anything.
- fintechie 3y agovery odd... this looks like some kind of forced takeover
- irthomasthomas 3y agoSo, from the coldness to microsoft, I'm guessing the GPTs launch problems + the Microsoft deal + life isn't fair? Edit: by GPTs problems I really meant suspending pro signups. I just thought the stress was down to the demand for GPTs.
- dang 3y agoRelated ongoing thread: Greg Brockman quits OpenAI - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38312704 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38312704
- cowl 3y agoYes this is even more surprising. Why would the board annouche he would continue with the company just to have him resign 1 hour later? Clearly the board would not have written that decision without his consent.
- space_fountain 3y agoI think it seems possible there was some incompetence here
- crop_rotation 3y agoYup, it is very possible the board members are not used to running a board and have not been on a high profile board before.
- bbor 3y agoNot the case, in this situation. Incompetence is always a factor, of course
- baq 3y agoNo way, that’s absolutely impossible, just look at their valuation…! On a completely unrelated note is there an award for corporate incompetence? Like the golden raspberry but for businesses?
- ComputerGuru 3y agoDo these people type all lowercase on purpose? Is it a power move/status thing? I'd have to go out of my way to type like that, on mobile or at a workstation.
- sedatk 3y agoI use all lowercase on platforms where I share original content because I like the aesthetic of lowercase letters. They look more harmonious to me. I only use uppercase when using acronyms because I think they're recognized quicker by their shape.
- gandutraveler 3y agoYou used uppercase here
- zingababba 3y agoMust have been copy/pasted from someone else's comment ;-)
- sedatk 3y agoOh no! :) Yes, I use all lowercase on Twitter and Eksi Sozluk mostly. I don't write in all lowercase on Reddit, HN, or Quora, or forums, etc where different type of capitalizations mix up. I find non-uniformity less pleasing to the eye than proper capitalization. I also write my emails with proper capitalization too, for similar reasons.
- rootusrootus 3y agoI assume it's on purpose. It certainly is when I do it, because I have to keep overriding autocorrect's insistence that I type like a grown up. though maybe they're just typing from a computer and there's no autocorrect to get in the way. even then, i have to override my own instinct
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- p5a0u9l 3y agoI think I hate the “i’m going to use a small ‘i’ because i’m not too busy to correct and want you to know i’m humble”.
- awb 3y agoQuitting a potentially generation-defining tech company in all lower case has to be the ultimate humble brag.