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Cars have an element of safety and reliability concerns where I just do not trust some of the newer automakers, compared to a computer! Also it is different pu

Cars have an element of safety and reliability concerns where I just do not trust some of the newer automakers, compared to a computer! Also it is different purchasing a car for tens of thousands of dollars vs a computer.

lordnacho 3y ago
Aren't there safety conformance tests that every car is put through before being allowed to be sold? I seem to remember looking through these last time I bought a car.
- askiiart 3y ago
  Yes, but in the US at least (I don't know about anywhere else, sorry), it's way too easy. If I remember correctly, the test was made for cars back in the 60s and basically every single car gets a 4 or 5 out of 5. If you've got two 4/5 cars, then one of them will surely be safer than the other, but unless the car is able to get a 5/5, there's no difference in the score.
  - rootusrootus 3y ago
    The tests have evolved a huge amount since the 60s. And even if a car just barely met the minimum legal requirement to be DOT legal, if it performs poorly on the IIHS tests then people are going to run the other way. And once your brand has -that- reputation, good luck coming back from it anytime soon.
    - askiiart 3y ago
      Ah, well then it seems I was very mistaken! I'm so sorry about that, I should really do a bit of research next time before posting.
stcredzero 3y ago
Cars have an element of safety and reliability concerns Teslas are claimed to be the safest cars ever made. In fact, Tesla uses instrumentation to track accelerations many times a second during actual crashes, and gather statistics on what gets hit, and what goes where during a crash. This is data of a quality head and shoulders above the competitors, and it shows. On top of that, they are using similar techniques to have the car avoid the crash altogether. These comprise active safety measures which are included with FSD, but which are also standalone and included generally in Tesla cars.
- anonymouskimmer 3y ago
  I was really impressed with Tesla's safety when that guy drove his family off of a cliff in an attempted murder-suicide, and they all survived.
- eastbound 3y ago
  Tell me one thing they’ve changed thanks to precise monitoring of what gets hit.
  - stcredzero 3y ago
    Here's an overview of the data Tesla gathers from a crash: https://www.notateslaapp.com/news/1272/the-power-of-data-a-look-at-tesla-s-vehicle-data-report https://www.notateslaapp.com/news/1272/the-power-of-data-a-l... I recall they have changed the timing of triggered events that happen when the system has detected an imminent crash, and the timing of events that occur when a crash happens. I can't find the reference right now, however. ChatGPT-4 uncovered this: https://electrek.co/2021/10/12/tesla-unveils-new-crash-safety-tech-based-on-collecting-real-world-data/ https://electrek.co/2021/10/12/tesla-unveils-new-crash-safet... Advanced Airbag Deployment: The data enables Tesla to detect the type of crash within 10 milliseconds and deploy airbags optimally, considering the exact seat position and steering wheel position Also, the crash data is used to create more accurate crash simulations, which goes directly into changes to the vehicle structure. Going off of what Sandy Munroe says about the rate of changes and improvments, this happens at the time scale of 1 or 2 months.
- 3y ago
smileysteve 3y ago
> I just do not trust some of the newer automakers I have little trust many of the older car manufacturers as well; GM, Chrysler, Ford seem to be 30+ years behind on shipping reliable technologies like variable valve timing or independent rear suspension. Have you seen the Ford Bronco crash test? The Kia key debacle has only recently taken over the fact that Chrysler was 20 years behind Japanese makers adding chip on key/immobilizer tech. The american makers put off tech like coil on plug, and port injection 8+ years compared to Japanese and European.

lordnacho 3y ago

Aren't there safety conformance tests that every car is put through before being allowed to be sold? I seem to remember looking through these last time I bought a car.

askiiart 3y ago
Yes, but in the US at least (I don't know about anywhere else, sorry), it's way too easy. If I remember correctly, the test was made for cars back in the 60s and basically every single car gets a 4 or 5 out of 5. If you've got two 4/5 cars, then one of them will surely be safer than the other, but unless the car is able to get a 5/5, there's no difference in the score.
- rootusrootus 3y ago
  The tests have evolved a huge amount since the 60s. And even if a car just barely met the minimum legal requirement to be DOT legal, if it performs poorly on the IIHS tests then people are going to run the other way. And once your brand has -that- reputation, good luck coming back from it anytime soon.
  - askiiart 3y ago
    Ah, well then it seems I was very mistaken! I'm so sorry about that, I should really do a bit of research next time before posting.

stcredzero 3y ago

Cars have an element of safety and reliability concerns Teslas are claimed to be the safest cars ever made. In fact, Tesla uses instrumentation to track accelerations many times a second during actual crashes, and gather statistics on what gets hit, and what goes where during a crash. This is data of a quality head and shoulders above the competitors, and it shows. On top of that, they are using similar techniques to have the car avoid the crash altogether. These comprise active safety measures which are included with FSD, but which are also standalone and included generally in Tesla cars.

anonymouskimmer 3y ago
I was really impressed with Tesla's safety when that guy drove his family off of a cliff in an attempted murder-suicide, and they all survived.
eastbound 3y ago
Tell me one thing they’ve changed thanks to precise monitoring of what gets hit.
- stcredzero 3y ago
  Here's an overview of the data Tesla gathers from a crash: https://www.notateslaapp.com/news/1272/the-power-of-data-a-look-at-tesla-s-vehicle-data-report https://www.notateslaapp.com/news/1272/the-power-of-data-a-l... I recall they have changed the timing of triggered events that happen when the system has detected an imminent crash, and the timing of events that occur when a crash happens. I can't find the reference right now, however. ChatGPT-4 uncovered this: https://electrek.co/2021/10/12/tesla-unveils-new-crash-safety-tech-based-on-collecting-real-world-data/ https://electrek.co/2021/10/12/tesla-unveils-new-crash-safet... Advanced Airbag Deployment: The data enables Tesla to detect the type of crash within 10 milliseconds and deploy airbags optimally, considering the exact seat position and steering wheel position Also, the crash data is used to create more accurate crash simulations, which goes directly into changes to the vehicle structure. Going off of what Sandy Munroe says about the rate of changes and improvments, this happens at the time scale of 1 or 2 months.
3y ago

smileysteve 3y ago

> I just do not trust some of the newer automakers I have little trust many of the older car manufacturers as well; GM, Chrysler, Ford seem to be 30+ years behind on shipping reliable technologies like variable valve timing or independent rear suspension. Have you seen the Ford Bronco crash test? The Kia key debacle has only recently taken over the fact that Chrysler was 20 years behind Japanese makers adding chip on key/immobilizer tech. The american makers put off tech like coil on plug, and port injection 8+ years compared to Japanese and European.