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Tons of high profile people spoke like this about Adam Neumann or Elizabeth Holmes too

by herval 3y ago

H8crilA 3y ago
Tons of high profile people spoke like that about a large number of individuals in the past. Here I think it's clear that OpenAI has indeed delivered something serious.
vdfs 3y ago
I'm starting to think what people say reflect their own thought about other people, and not facts we should accept depending on their net worth
mardifoufs 3y ago
Not everyone that you don't like is a fraudster. Just say that you don't like Sam, no need to make an obviously absurd comparison. The reason those were bad CEOs were that they swindled investors and lied about what their corporation is doing. I have absolutely no opinion on Sam Altman (didn't know about him before openai) btw, it's just that the comparison is completely nonsensical. (It reminds me of comparing AI to crypto because both have hype behind them.)
- jrflowers 3y ago
  I like that you have no opinion about this guy that got fired for “not [being] consistently candid in his communications with the board” other than it is plainly obvious that he isn’t a liar.
  - mardifoufs 3y ago
    No that's not my point. I'm not saying he's a liar or not, I'm saying that they are not similar regardless. He could be a liar without being a fraud. Openai is already not Theranos no matter what happens next.
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    - jrflowers 3y ago
      This is a good point. There is no possible room for the general artificial intelligence company to disappoint investors or other stakeholders in a big way
  - aerhardt 3y ago
    Well with the info currently available, that’s just like, the board’s opinion, man.
- herval 3y ago
  Why “obviously absurd”? They had spotless reputations, until they didn’t. So did the FTX guy, for instance. Just because you don’t understand, doesn’t mean something is nonsensical
- latexr 3y ago
  > Not everyone that you don't like is a fraudster. Sam Altman in particular has precedent, with Worldcoin, that should make you wary of defending him on that particular point. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/richardnieva/worldcoin-crypto-eyeball-scanning-orb-problems https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/richardnieva/worldcoin-... https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/04/06/1048981/worldcoin-cryptocurrency-biometrics-web3/ https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/04/06/1048981/worldcoi...
- foota 3y ago
  They're not comparing them to those people, they're pointing out that (tech) celebrity endorsements don't mean much.
- freejazz 3y ago
  > Not everyone that you don't like is a fraudster Maybe not. Perhaps it seems that everyone you do like is
eigenvalue 3y ago
Oh please, you're going to put Altman together with those clowns? He has a proven record of extreme accomplishment, in various domains, moreso than 99.9999% of people in the tech industry.
- tovej 3y ago
  This type of comment doesn't really help. And for my two cents, he always seemed like a disingenuous hype salesman more than a technical person. He's an Elon Musk or a Lex Friedman.
- jjulius 3y ago
  >He has a proven record of extreme accomplishment, in various domains, moreso than 99.9999% of people in the tech industry. I don't really see anything[1] that suggests that this sentence is true. Now, I'm not saying that he hasn't been successful, but there's "successful" and then there's your hyperbole. [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Altman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Altman
- strikelaserclaw 3y ago
  what did he do before open ai? (Which was founded by a lot more people than Sam). A genius in my opinion needs to have a track record of incredible things, key point being "track".
  - latexr 3y ago
    > what did he do before open ai? Worldcoin. Which is, to put it mildly, not positive. https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/04/06/1048981/worldcoin-cryptocurrency-biometrics-web3/ https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/04/06/1048981/worldcoi... https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/richardnieva/worldcoin-crypto-eyeball-scanning-orb-problems https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/richardnieva/worldcoin-...
grpt 3y ago
And Sam Bankman-Fried

Tons of high profile people spoke like this about Adam Neumann or Elizabeth Holmes too

by herval 3y ago

Tons of high profile people spoke like this about Adam Neumann or Elizabeth Holmes too

Tons of high profile people spoke like that about a large number of individuals in the past. Here I think it's clear that OpenAI has indeed delivered something serious.

vdfs 3y ago

I'm starting to think what people say reflect their own thought about other people, and not facts we should accept depending on their net worth

mardifoufs 3y ago

Not everyone that you don't like is a fraudster. Just say that you don't like Sam, no need to make an obviously absurd comparison. The reason those were bad CEOs were that they swindled investors and lied about what their corporation is doing. I have absolutely no opinion on Sam Altman (didn't know about him before openai) btw, it's just that the comparison is completely nonsensical. (It reminds me of comparing AI to crypto because both have hype behind them.)

jrflowers 3y ago
I like that you have no opinion about this guy that got fired for “not [being] consistently candid in his communications with the board” other than it is plainly obvious that he isn’t a liar.
- mardifoufs 3y ago
  No that's not my point. I'm not saying he's a liar or not, I'm saying that they are not similar regardless. He could be a liar without being a fraud. Openai is already not Theranos no matter what happens next.
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  - jrflowers 3y ago
    This is a good point. There is no possible room for the general artificial intelligence company to disappoint investors or other stakeholders in a big way
- aerhardt 3y ago
  Well with the info currently available, that’s just like, the board’s opinion, man.
herval 3y ago
Why “obviously absurd”? They had spotless reputations, until they didn’t. So did the FTX guy, for instance. Just because you don’t understand, doesn’t mean something is nonsensical
latexr 3y ago
> Not everyone that you don't like is a fraudster. Sam Altman in particular has precedent, with Worldcoin, that should make you wary of defending him on that particular point. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/richardnieva/worldcoin-crypto-eyeball-scanning-orb-problems https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/richardnieva/worldcoin-... https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/04/06/1048981/worldcoin-cryptocurrency-biometrics-web3/ https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/04/06/1048981/worldcoi...
foota 3y ago
They're not comparing them to those people, they're pointing out that (tech) celebrity endorsements don't mean much.
freejazz 3y ago
> Not everyone that you don't like is a fraudster Maybe not. Perhaps it seems that everyone you do like is

eigenvalue 3y ago

Oh please, you're going to put Altman together with those clowns? He has a proven record of extreme accomplishment, in various domains, moreso than 99.9999% of people in the tech industry.

tovej 3y ago
This type of comment doesn't really help. And for my two cents, he always seemed like a disingenuous hype salesman more than a technical person. He's an Elon Musk or a Lex Friedman.
jjulius 3y ago
>He has a proven record of extreme accomplishment, in various domains, moreso than 99.9999% of people in the tech industry. I don't really see anything[1] that suggests that this sentence is true. Now, I'm not saying that he hasn't been successful, but there's "successful" and then there's your hyperbole. [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Altman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Altman
strikelaserclaw 3y ago
what did he do before open ai? (Which was founded by a lot more people than Sam). A genius in my opinion needs to have a track record of incredible things, key point being "track".
- latexr 3y ago
  > what did he do before open ai? Worldcoin. Which is, to put it mildly, not positive. https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/04/06/1048981/worldcoin-cryptocurrency-biometrics-web3/ https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/04/06/1048981/worldcoi... https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/richardnieva/worldcoin-crypto-eyeball-scanning-orb-problems https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/richardnieva/worldcoin-...

grpt 3y ago

And Sam Bankman-Fried