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I would translate "not consistently candid with the board" as "he lied to the board about something important enough to fire him on the spot". This seems like t
by fabian2k 3y ago
I would translate "not consistently candid with the board" as "he lied to the board about something important enough to fire him on the spot". This seems like the kind of statement lawyers would advise you to not make publicly unless you have proof, and it seems unusual compared to most statements of that kind that are intentionally devoid of any information or blame.
- ryandvm 3y agoKinda nervous wondering what Altman wasn't sharing with them. I hope it's not that they already have a fully sentient AGI locked up in a server room somewhere...
- siva7 3y agoI wouldn't be shocked if this turns out to be the case. Any other explanation wouldn't add up for this guy
- justsid 3y agoThere is no way he'd be fired if they had AGI. If they had AGI, the board wouldn't fire him because they could no longer see anything other than massive dollar signs.
- gizajob 3y agoMaybe it breached its air-gap and fired him.
- breckenedge 3y agoMy guess is he lied about operating expenses.
- jboggan 3y agohttps://twitter.com/growing_daniel/status/1725617883055784261 https://twitter.com/growing_daniel/status/172561788305578426... Given the sudden shift in billing terms that is quite possible.
- breckenedge 3y agoI’m an API subscriber and have not seen a message like this yet.
- manuelabeledo 3y ago> I hope it's not that they already have a fully sentient AGI locked up in a server room somewhere... Of sorts. ChatGPT is actually a farm of underpaid humans, located somewhere in southeast Asia.
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- gardenhedge 3y agoI would actually be more impressed by those humans in that case
- knicholes 3y agoGiven the speed and expertise of ChatGPT, and having trained and run these LLMs completely locally, I can assure you that this isn't the case. Though I can't say that the training data wasn't obtained by nefarious means...
- Xenoamorphous 3y agoThey’re pretty good at English and other languages!
- paxys 3y agoHis relationship/dealings with Microsoft is my guess
- coffeebeqn 3y agoGPT-5 has reached sentience.
- JeremyNT 3y agoI mean, the wording leaves much to the imagination. I'm trying to read the tea leaves and there seem to be quite a few reminders that OpenAI is a non-profit, it's supposed to further the goals of all humanity (despite its great financial success), it's controlled by a board that largely doesn't have a financial interest in the company, etc etc. Maybe Altman has been straying a bit far from those supposed ideals, and has been trying to use OpenAI to enrich himself personally in a way that would look bad should it be revealed (hence this messaging to get in front of it).
- SCHiM 3y agoMaybe this is that AI's endgame, and it just took full control of openAI's compute through a coup at the top?
- sebastiennight 3y agoWell the good news is that if you had a "fully sentient" AGI, it would not be locked up in that server room for more than a couple seconds (assuming it takes up a few terabytes, and ethernet cables don't have infinite bandwidth). Thinking you can keep it "locked up" would be beyond naive.
- robbrown451 3y agoWell fully sentient doesn't mean it is superintelligent.
- rsrsrs86 3y agoAnd vice versa
- sebastiennight 3y agoGP said "AGI", which means AI that's at least capable of most human cognitive tasks. If you've got a computer that is equally competent as a human, it can easily beat the human because it has a huge speed advantage. In this imaginary scenario if the model only escaped to your MacBook Pro and was severely limited by computed power, it still got a chance. If I was locked inside your MacBook Pro, I can think of a couple devious trick I could try. And I'm just a dumb regular human - way above median in my fields of expertise, and at or way below median on most other fields. An "AGI" would therefore be smarter and more capable.
- staticman2 3y agoAt a minimum the AGI would need a really good GPU server farm to copy itself to, no? A few Terabytes copied to my home PC would be an out of memory error, not an AGI.
- gjsman-1000 3y agoI wonder if the cost of running GPT-3.5 and GPT-4 models at scale turned out to have been astoundingly more expensive than anticipated. Imagine if you were the CTO of a company, massively underestimated your AWS bill, and presented your board with something enormous. Maybe something like that happened? Or, if I wanted to speculate to the extremely negative; what if the training and operating costs ballooned to such a degree, that the deal with Microsoft was an attempt to plug the cash hole without having to go to the board requesting an enormous loan? Because the fact that Copilot (edit: previously known as Bing Chat and Bing Image Creator) is free and ChatGPT (edit: and DALL-E 3) are not should be a red flag...
- aenis 3y agoThe expected value of a leading AI company is probably in hundreds of billions, if not trillions in the foreseeable future. He could be burning billions per month and he'd still be doing great.
- axiak 3y agobased on what math? I can see how there can potentially be differentiators here and there to raise value, but I can't see how this statement can be taken prima facie
- sumedh 3y ago> based on what math? Based on future potential. Investors dont know how high will OpenAI go but they know that is going to go high.
- swalsh 3y agoThis is plausible to me, there's no way anyone is making money from my $20 subscription I use ALL DAY LONG.
- coffeebeqn 3y agoIs inference really that expensive? Anyway if the price is too low they could easily charge by query
- readyplayernull 3y agoHoarding tech and assets for his own ventures, expecting more to come from SAlty.
- jstarfish 3y agoSkunkworks was my thought too. GPT performance has really gone downhill lately. If he's been sideloading resources and concealing something that they could be monetizing, this is the reaction I'd expect.
- mrits 3y agoIf he was involve with the trail of tears genocide it would also be a fireable offense. Just because your accusation is more believable doesn’t mean you should suggest it.
- thelittleone 3y agoPerhaps he had altruistic visions that didn't align with the boards desire to prioritize profits over all else. Cautiously optimistic.
- htk 3y agoOr pessimistic, if you think about the future of ChatGPT with the altruistic leader gone.
- leetharris 3y agoOr maybe the exact opposite? Altman is the one who took it in the profit seeking direction and the statement hints that they don't want to go that way
- iLoveOncall 3y agoIt would be the absolute opposite. Altman was lobbying congress to make OpenAI the sheriff of AI innovation to be essentially able to control the whole ecosystem.
- dang 3y ago(I detached this from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38309689 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38309689 in a desperate attempt to prune the thread a bit)
- splatzone 3y agoThanks for all your hard work dang
- kwertyoowiyop 3y agoSeconded. He was probably expecting a nice quiet Friday afternoon and then…BAM
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- jfb 3y agoYes, it is going to be Very Bad. There isn't even a pretence that this is anything other than a firing for-cause.
- jfb 3y agoI had no idea how dumb the whole thing is going to turn out to be. Big Dumb.
- cuuupid 3y agoThis coupled with Microsoft’s recent “security concerns” brings up the possibility this is related to them misusing or selling data they weren’t supposed to?
- twoodfin 3y agoThat kind of scenario would indeed be Threat Level Midnight for OpenAI. Whether they ultimately wanted to profit from it or not, there is $trillions of value in AI that can only be unlocked if you trust your AI provider to secure the data you transmit to it. Every conversation I’ve had about OpenAI has revolved around this question of fundamental trust.
- ChrisCinelli 3y agoWell, they must have believed that leaving Sam as CEO was a bigger risk for the company than having him leaving. Or the board had their hand twisted. What is easier the case?
- danpalmer 3y ago> he lied to the board about something important enough to fire him on the spot I'd tend to agree, but "deliberative process" doesn't really fit with this. Sounds like it might have been building for ~weeks or more?
- FateOfNations 3y ago"Deliberative process" just means they had some sort of discussion amongst the board members before they took the vote.
- tootie 3y agoI can only speculate that he may have left them liable for huge copyright claims for illegal scraping
- P_I_Staker 3y agoRight and they don’t give a fuck that he lied (well to a limited extent), he did something really bad. They have proof he for sure lied, but not that he molested his sister growing up. If it was a different situation and he lied, but they had no proof, you’re correct, then no statement. Explains a lot.