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The is nothing "anti-white" about acknowledging race based privilege in a given society.

by pharrington 3y ago

xcv123 3y ago
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- ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
  white privilege doesn't preclude being disadvantaged or struggling, what a weird hangup > having "white privilege" then yes it is racist by definition. When kids are taught that white people are inherently evil oh, okay, I see I am speaking with someone who is delusional, and likely has a chip on their shoulder. If you can come up with evidence that any significant number of kids are being taught that white people are, and I'm quoting you here, "inherently evil", I'll eat my hat.
  - xcv123 3y ago
    The issue of Critical Race Theory (CRT) in schools has been a subject of intense controversy and public debate for several years and many states have banned it already. Many states have legislated against it. There is an abundance of legal documentation you can read to find out why.
    - orwin 3y ago
      Do you know what Critical Race Theory is? Or its superset, Critical theory? If it's taught at any level below highschool the US is probably the best educated country in the world, and critical thinking should be really high (is that why the less wrong movement emerged from your country?). In any case, I would be impressed, but I would understand the reasons to not teach it too early.
      - xcv123 3y ago
        Yeah I studied mathematics and computer science at post graduate level, including formal logic, and consider CRT to be a pseudo-intellectual field of "study" that actively destroys critical thinking. There is no intellectual rigor in that. They produce indoctrinated midwits and are lobotomizing young people. Merely having "critical" in the title does not mean that it actually teaches critical thinking. Critical Theory has absolutely nothing to do with teaching critical thinking. > is that why the less wrong movement emerged from your country? I live far away from the USA in a very "progressive" country.
        orwin 3y ago
        What? I understand why people think that its usefulness is overblown (I do too), I understand calling-it pseudo-intellectual too. That's in my opinion a mistake, because my huge issue with it is that it is too intellectual, with almost no real, prescriptive value (too much contradictions). I also think that its writers like to smell their own farts, to take an image from South Park. But 'not critical thinking'? I'm not calling you a liar, but are you sure you learned critical theory in your field of study? What was taught about it? Or were you just suffering from second-hand exposure (like you talked to sociology students)? But critical theory is basically applying critical thinking to... Almost everything,and especially social relations and norms (which is why it's not really useful 99% of the time). I think I have to illustrate it a bit: it was used in archeology (and linguistics) with success. Basically : a lot of European 'war chiefs' tombs were discovered in the 19th century by people who thought only men can use weapons. Someone who took their critical theory course seriously said: 'can we check those bones again to see if they had bias?', and, as easely predicted, having weapons in a cairn did not meant the skeleton was male, thus we no understand info-european culture better than before (which is more in line with ancient Celtic culture than Judeo-Christian culture, especially when it comes to females). It has to be credited for change in the teaching culture too. The 'teachers must learn as much as they teach' is a direct relative to critical theory. Is that what you are against then? I think I like that position in my mind, but some learn better under pressure and rather have authoritarian teachers (I know I do), so in the end it's a negative,i agree. Like I said, it's not pseudo-intellectual, it's too intellectual to be effective. The ideas are nice, the praxis is limited. It's not a materialist theory. I also disagree with like 60% of CT critic of Marx (the only think they got right was the critic of ideology, but tbh I think this originally was from Foucault, so not new at all). Ultimately, I think the best critic of Critical Theory is one that weren't really aimed at it, Baudrillard's hyperreality. (I'm stopping here, sorry, I would have to type twice as much to explain why, just read Baudrillard Simulacrum, it's the most interesting conservative thinker of the era imho) (and yes, he is conservative).
    - ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
      A lot of hand waving there. Like I said: If you can come up with evidence that any significant number of kids are being taught that white people are, and I'm quoting you here, "inherently evil", I'll eat my hat. Still waiting.
      - xcv123 3y ago
        Here's an example from a children's book: https://x.com/ada_akpala/status/1680152633737093120?s=20 https://x.com/ada_akpala/status/1680152633737093120?s=20
        ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
        As expected, you came up with nothing. Try really hard to remember the components of your claim: –>schools<– were –>teaching<– –>kids<– that –>white people<– are, and again, I'm quoting you here: –>"inherently evil"<–. Instead you link to a tweet with an image of a book that says no such thing. Your "evidence" proves literally none of the components of your claim, and you needed all 4 to not be wrong. Your post shows no schools, no teaching, no kids, and nothing you claim is being taught. That's a quadruple failure. Making up such nonsense claims to prove your point is shameful, and not really in the spirit of this site. Perhaps twitter better suits your conspiracy theories? Maybe you can get elmu to retweet you.
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The is nothing "anti-white" about acknowledging race based privilege in a given society.

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ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
white privilege doesn't preclude being disadvantaged or struggling, what a weird hangup > having "white privilege" then yes it is racist by definition. When kids are taught that white people are inherently evil oh, okay, I see I am speaking with someone who is delusional, and likely has a chip on their shoulder. If you can come up with evidence that any significant number of kids are being taught that white people are, and I'm quoting you here, "inherently evil", I'll eat my hat.
- xcv123 3y ago
  The issue of Critical Race Theory (CRT) in schools has been a subject of intense controversy and public debate for several years and many states have banned it already. Many states have legislated against it. There is an abundance of legal documentation you can read to find out why.
  - orwin 3y ago
    Do you know what Critical Race Theory is? Or its superset, Critical theory? If it's taught at any level below highschool the US is probably the best educated country in the world, and critical thinking should be really high (is that why the less wrong movement emerged from your country?). In any case, I would be impressed, but I would understand the reasons to not teach it too early.
    - xcv123 3y ago
      Yeah I studied mathematics and computer science at post graduate level, including formal logic, and consider CRT to be a pseudo-intellectual field of "study" that actively destroys critical thinking. There is no intellectual rigor in that. They produce indoctrinated midwits and are lobotomizing young people. Merely having "critical" in the title does not mean that it actually teaches critical thinking. Critical Theory has absolutely nothing to do with teaching critical thinking. > is that why the less wrong movement emerged from your country? I live far away from the USA in a very "progressive" country.
      - orwin 3y ago
        What? I understand why people think that its usefulness is overblown (I do too), I understand calling-it pseudo-intellectual too. That's in my opinion a mistake, because my huge issue with it is that it is too intellectual, with almost no real, prescriptive value (too much contradictions). I also think that its writers like to smell their own farts, to take an image from South Park. But 'not critical thinking'? I'm not calling you a liar, but are you sure you learned critical theory in your field of study? What was taught about it? Or were you just suffering from second-hand exposure (like you talked to sociology students)? But critical theory is basically applying critical thinking to... Almost everything,and especially social relations and norms (which is why it's not really useful 99% of the time). I think I have to illustrate it a bit: it was used in archeology (and linguistics) with success. Basically : a lot of European 'war chiefs' tombs were discovered in the 19th century by people who thought only men can use weapons. Someone who took their critical theory course seriously said: 'can we check those bones again to see if they had bias?', and, as easely predicted, having weapons in a cairn did not meant the skeleton was male, thus we no understand info-european culture better than before (which is more in line with ancient Celtic culture than Judeo-Christian culture, especially when it comes to females). It has to be credited for change in the teaching culture too. The 'teachers must learn as much as they teach' is a direct relative to critical theory. Is that what you are against then? I think I like that position in my mind, but some learn better under pressure and rather have authoritarian teachers (I know I do), so in the end it's a negative,i agree. Like I said, it's not pseudo-intellectual, it's too intellectual to be effective. The ideas are nice, the praxis is limited. It's not a materialist theory. I also disagree with like 60% of CT critic of Marx (the only think they got right was the critic of ideology, but tbh I think this originally was from Foucault, so not new at all). Ultimately, I think the best critic of Critical Theory is one that weren't really aimed at it, Baudrillard's hyperreality. (I'm stopping here, sorry, I would have to type twice as much to explain why, just read Baudrillard Simulacrum, it's the most interesting conservative thinker of the era imho) (and yes, he is conservative).
  - ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
    A lot of hand waving there. Like I said: If you can come up with evidence that any significant number of kids are being taught that white people are, and I'm quoting you here, "inherently evil", I'll eat my hat. Still waiting.
    - xcv123 3y ago
      Here's an example from a children's book: https://x.com/ada_akpala/status/1680152633737093120?s=20 https://x.com/ada_akpala/status/1680152633737093120?s=20
      - ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
        As expected, you came up with nothing. Try really hard to remember the components of your claim: –>schools<– were –>teaching<– –>kids<– that –>white people<– are, and again, I'm quoting you here: –>"inherently evil"<–. Instead you link to a tweet with an image of a book that says no such thing. Your "evidence" proves literally none of the components of your claim, and you needed all 4 to not be wrong. Your post shows no schools, no teaching, no kids, and nothing you claim is being taught. That's a quadruple failure. Making up such nonsense claims to prove your point is shameful, and not really in the spirit of this site. Perhaps twitter better suits your conspiracy theories? Maybe you can get elmu to retweet you.
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