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His sister had levied allegations of abuse https://www.themarysue.com/annie-altmans-abuse-allegations-against-openais-sam-altman-highlight-the-need-to-prioriti

His sister had levied allegations of abuse https://www.themarysue.com/annie-altmans-abuse-allegations-against-openais-sam-altman-highlight-the-need-to-prioritize-humanity-over-tech/ https://www.themarysue.com/annie-altmans-abuse-allegations-a...

OfficialTurkey 3y ago
I don't think this is it. The allegations aren't brand new and the board says he lied.
- bosie 3y ago
  i assume you mean she lied?
sparkling 3y ago
From the website: > "[...] If someone — correction, if generally a white, cis man — presents himself with enough confidence, then venture capitalists, media [...]" I stopped reading right there. This kind of race-baiting adds zero context to the story (which may or may not be true).
- whatamidoingyo 3y ago
  Same. Don't know why you got downvoted.
- arcatech 3y ago
  How a person is perceived based on race and gender is definitely relevant context for this.
  - deleted 3y ago
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  - astrange 3y ago
    The "white cis man" stuff isn't an incisive comment, it's an academic's way of trying to get into an insult war with other academics. Constantly calling out "cis men" is in fact transphobic, which is how you can tell they don't care about it. If you think cis men and trans men behave differently or are always treated differently, this means you don't think they're both men. Also sama is not white. Although he does appear to have gotten a series of jobs with not a lot of experience by convincing Paul Graham to figuratively adopt him.
    - viii 3y ago
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    - andomiz2 3y ago
      I mostly agree with your points but how is he not white? He acts like a textbook white person and I should know because thats also how I and most of the people I associate with act. Everyone of us would say he is white.
      - astrange 3y ago
        He's Jewish. If you go find the white racists, they're usually not into Ashkenazis.
kccqzy 3y ago
It's clear that neither Sam nor his sister[0] wants to discuss this. [0]: https://x.com/phuckfilosophy/status/1710371830043939122 https://x.com/phuckfilosophy/status/1710371830043939122
- oh_sigh 3y ago
  Weird to make a tweet thousands of your followers that you don't want to talk about.
blindriver 3y ago
I thought Sam Altman was gay. The accusations of sexual abuse don't seem to line up. And her accusations that he is shadowbanning her on social media sounds mentally unstable.
nostrademons 3y ago
I doubt that's it. In general sexual shenanigans in your personal life will get you a quiet departure from the company under the "X has retired to spend more time with family / pursue other adventures / start a foundation". Andy Rubin got a $90M severance payout from Google after running a sex-slave dungeon on his personal time. The wording of this statement is the kind of thing a board says when the company has done something deeply illegal that they will all face personal jail time for, and so they need to immediately deny all knowledge of the offense and fire the people who did have knowledge of it.
- clueless 3y ago
  > running a sex-slave dungeon on his personal time. There are no such allegations regarding Andy Rubin. > Mr. Rubin had been having an extramarital relationship, [and] said he coerced her into performing oral sex in a hotel room in 2013
- benzible 3y ago
  "Shenanigans" would not be a remotely accurate way to characterize sexual assault on a minor. Not meant as a comment on the truth of these allegations, just on the accuracy of this way of characterizing them. As far as whether this might be the cause, one possible scenario: the board hired a law firm to investigate, Sam made statements that were contradicted by credible evidence, and that was the fireable event. Brockman could have helped cover this up. Again, not saying that this is what happened but it's plausible. BTW Rubin's $90M payout a) caused a shitstorm at Google b) was determined in part by David Drummond, later fired in part due to sexual misconduct. I would not use this as a representative example, especially since Google now has a policy against such payouts: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/andy-rubin-google-settlement-sexual-harassment-android-creator-310-million/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/andy-rubin-google-settlement-se...
  - Manuel_D 3y ago
    Google didn't just pay Rubin $90M because they want to reward abusers. Rubin's contract had a huge component of his comp tied to Android's success. If Google tried to withhold that bonus, Rubin would have sued. People don't just walk away from a hundred million dollars without a fight. Imagine the disaster that would have transpired if Rubin won his case: Google would been seen as trying to cheat an employee out of bonuses with a false misconduct allegation. Imagine the hell it would have been to be the woman in that situation. People who said Google should have withheld Rubin's compensation are operating under the assumption that Google would have prevailed in the inevitable lawsuit.

OfficialTurkey 3y ago

I don't think this is it. The allegations aren't brand new and the board says he lied.

bosie 3y ago
i assume you mean she lied?

sparkling 3y ago

From the website: > "[...] If someone — correction, if generally a white, cis man — presents himself with enough confidence, then venture capitalists, media [...]" I stopped reading right there. This kind of race-baiting adds zero context to the story (which may or may not be true).

whatamidoingyo 3y ago
Same. Don't know why you got downvoted.
arcatech 3y ago
How a person is perceived based on race and gender is definitely relevant context for this.
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]
- astrange 3y ago
  The "white cis man" stuff isn't an incisive comment, it's an academic's way of trying to get into an insult war with other academics. Constantly calling out "cis men" is in fact transphobic, which is how you can tell they don't care about it. If you think cis men and trans men behave differently or are always treated differently, this means you don't think they're both men. Also sama is not white. Although he does appear to have gotten a series of jobs with not a lot of experience by convincing Paul Graham to figuratively adopt him.
  - viii 3y ago
    [flagged]
  - andomiz2 3y ago
    I mostly agree with your points but how is he not white? He acts like a textbook white person and I should know because thats also how I and most of the people I associate with act. Everyone of us would say he is white.
    - astrange 3y ago
      He's Jewish. If you go find the white racists, they're usually not into Ashkenazis.

kccqzy 3y ago

It's clear that neither Sam nor his sister[0] wants to discuss this. [0]: https://x.com/phuckfilosophy/status/1710371830043939122 https://x.com/phuckfilosophy/status/1710371830043939122

oh_sigh 3y ago
Weird to make a tweet thousands of your followers that you don't want to talk about.

blindriver 3y ago

I thought Sam Altman was gay. The accusations of sexual abuse don't seem to line up. And her accusations that he is shadowbanning her on social media sounds mentally unstable.

nostrademons 3y ago

I doubt that's it. In general sexual shenanigans in your personal life will get you a quiet departure from the company under the "X has retired to spend more time with family / pursue other adventures / start a foundation". Andy Rubin got a $90M severance payout from Google after running a sex-slave dungeon on his personal time. The wording of this statement is the kind of thing a board says when the company has done something deeply illegal that they will all face personal jail time for, and so they need to immediately deny all knowledge of the offense and fire the people who did have knowledge of it.

clueless 3y ago
> running a sex-slave dungeon on his personal time. There are no such allegations regarding Andy Rubin. > Mr. Rubin had been having an extramarital relationship, [and] said he coerced her into performing oral sex in a hotel room in 2013
benzible 3y ago
"Shenanigans" would not be a remotely accurate way to characterize sexual assault on a minor. Not meant as a comment on the truth of these allegations, just on the accuracy of this way of characterizing them. As far as whether this might be the cause, one possible scenario: the board hired a law firm to investigate, Sam made statements that were contradicted by credible evidence, and that was the fireable event. Brockman could have helped cover this up. Again, not saying that this is what happened but it's plausible. BTW Rubin's $90M payout a) caused a shitstorm at Google b) was determined in part by David Drummond, later fired in part due to sexual misconduct. I would not use this as a representative example, especially since Google now has a policy against such payouts: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/andy-rubin-google-settlement-sexual-harassment-android-creator-310-million/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/andy-rubin-google-settlement-se...
- Manuel_D 3y ago
  Google didn't just pay Rubin $90M because they want to reward abusers. Rubin's contract had a huge component of his comp tied to Android's success. If Google tried to withhold that bonus, Rubin would have sued. People don't just walk away from a hundred million dollars without a fight. Imagine the disaster that would have transpired if Rubin won his case: Google would been seen as trying to cheat an employee out of bonuses with a false misconduct allegation. Imagine the hell it would have been to be the woman in that situation. People who said Google should have withheld Rubin's compensation are operating under the assumption that Google would have prevailed in the inevitable lawsuit.