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Yes, very likely Altman has done something _very_ wrong, and the board wants to maintain plausible deniability.
by jurgenaut23 3y ago
Yes, very likely Altman has done something _very_ wrong, and the board wants to maintain plausible deniability.
- saliagato 3y agoWe all know what. HN moderators are deleting all related comments. Edit: dang is right, sorry y’all
- ro_bit 3y agoShowdead shows one comment that doesn't really bring anything of substance. How many comments can a mod even delete on a 10 minute old post (post origin to the time you wrote your comment)
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- p1esk 3y agoKnow what?
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- parthdesai 3y ago> We all know what Genuinely curious, what is it?
- wahnfrieden 3y agoSexual abuse allegations from his sister.
- ilikehurdles 3y agoI don’t believe accusations from March about something that allegedly happened when he was 13 would be the cause of any of this.
- partiallypro 3y agoOther women could have come forward.
- junon 3y agoAltman is gay, FWIW.
- partiallypro 3y agoIf he already abused his sister, him being gay isn't a subject that matters on his preferences on who to prey on.
- ksaj 3y agoFirst, this is an accusation made on OnlyFans. Second, he was 13 at the time. You'd have to connect this accusation to truth, and that truth to his adult life. So I can't fathom her accusation having anything to do with anything. They've made it clear that the issue has something to do with statements he has made to the board that ended up not being true. The question is of what those statements may be. Not about his potential childhood errors or his onlyfans "model" sister's claims. So homosexuality isn't relevant here. But nor is what his sister claims.
- Manuel_D 3y agoThese allegations date all the way back from 2021, and the sister has made some other dubious claims like Sam hacking her wifi which erode her credibility. I highly doubt that this was the cause of his removal.
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- dang 3y agoHN moderators aren't deleting any comments. (We only do that when the author asks us to, and almost never when the comment has replies.) If you're referring to some other form of moderation that you think is bad or wrong, please supply links so that readers can make their minds up for themselves.
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- cubefox 3y agoThey were flagged, a system where a minority of HN users can moderate away posts they don't like. Is there any overview which lets us see specifically flagged submissions? I suspect this system has too many false positives to be useful.
- pvg 3y agoTurn on showdead in your profile. You can also vouch for comments you feel were misflagged.
- quenix 3y agoWhat is it?
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- ignoramous 3y ago> We all know what. HN moderators are deleting all related comments. Edit: dang is right, sorry y'all This from 2021? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37785072 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37785072 Bad if true, but highly unlikely that it is.
- rchaud 3y agoI would have thought that being CEO of Worldcoin would have been bad enough optics-wise from having him take a top role at a serious company.
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- electriclove 3y agoStrange how people forget or are unaware of how absolutely evil that venture is
- afro88 3y agoHow so? You're not thinking of OneCoin perhaps?
- codetrotter 3y agoNo. > Many critics have called Worldcoin's business—of scanning eyeballs in exchange for crypto—dystopian and some have compared it to bribery. https://time.com/6300522/worldcoin-sam-altman/ https://time.com/6300522/worldcoin-sam-altman/ > market makers control 95% of the total circulating supply at launch, leading to an initial market imbalance. https://beincrypto.com/worldcoin-wld-privacy-risk/ https://beincrypto.com/worldcoin-wld-privacy-risk/ > Worldcoin’s use of biometric data, which is unusual in crypto, raises the stakes for regulators. Multiple agencies expressed safety concerns amid reports of the sale of Worldcoin digital identities, known as World IDs, on virtual black markets, the ability to create and profit off of fake IDs, as well as the theft of credentials for operators who sign up new users. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2023-08-23/worldcoin-s-eyeball-scanning-crypto-dream-is-under-threat https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2023-08-23/worldc...
- afro88 3y agoWow. Just wow. Thanks for the info.
- lumost 3y agoOn paper, Sam Altman would have made everyone on the board billionaires. For them to vote him out in this manner indicates that he must have done something egregious to jeopardize that. Lying on P&L, stock sale agreements, or turning down an acquisition offer under difficult circumstances seems likely.
- iandanforth 3y agoAs noted in the release: "The majority of the board is independent, and the independent directors do not hold equity in OpenAI."
- nonfamous 3y agoIn fact, I believe Altman was the only member of the board that held equity in OpenAI. There was some vague reference to a “previous VC arrangement” in the FAQ.
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- samspenc 3y agoSam Altman had no equity in OpenAI https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/24/openai-ceo-sam-altman-didnt-take-any-equity-in-the-company-semafor.html https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/24/openai-ceo-sam-altman-didnt-... He confirmed it verbally as well in his May 2023 hearing in Congress https://twitter.com/thesamparr/status/1658554712151433219?lang=en https://twitter.com/thesamparr/status/1658554712151433219?la...
- nonfamous 3y agoFrom https://openai.com/our-structure https://openai.com/our-structure : > Even OpenAI’s CEO, Sam Altman, does not hold equity directly. His only interest is indirectly through a Y Combinator investment fund that made a small investment in OpenAI before he was full-time. That word “directly” seems to be relevant here.
- rococode 3y agoSomewhat hidden beneath the huge headline of Altman being kicked out is that Brockman (chairman) is also out. Which could indicate something more systemically wrong than just a typical "CEO did something bad" situation. > As a part of this transition, Greg Brockman will be stepping down as chairman of the board and will remain in his role at the company, reporting to the CEO.
- harryh 3y agoBrockman is off the board but not fired. Which is weird right? You'd think if he was involved in whatever the really bad thing is then he would be fired.
- foota 3y agoMaybe Sam was the ring leader and he just went along with it?
- floxy 3y agoCould be something like Brockman pushing to investigate further, before having the vote, and the rest of the board not liking that.
- sulam 3y agoIt's probably simple reporting logic. Having a board member reporting to someone not on the board would be problematic.
- jholman 3y agoNo, that sort of thing isn't that weird, in relatively young companies. Think of when Eric Schmidt was CEO of Google. Larry Page and Sergei Brin reported to him as employees of Google, and he (as CEO of Google) reported to himself-and-also-them (as the board), and all of them (as the board) reported to Larry and Sergei (as majority owners). For another example, imagine if OpenAI had never been a non-profit, and look at the board yesterday. You'd have had Ilya reporting to Sam (as employees), while Sam reports to Ilya (with Ilya as one member of the board, and probably a major stakeholder). Now, when it gets hostile, those loops might get pretty weird. When things get hostile, you maybe modify reporting structures so the loops go away, so that people can maintain sane boundaries and still get work done (or gracefully exit, who knows).
- resource0x 3y agoNot _very_ wrong, just duping investors about the technical and financial prospects of the company. Nothing serious /s
- renecito 3y agois always about money, even immoral behavior falls down to potential economic impact. my 2 cents that he lied about profitability, they should be expending massive money in operations, they need to cut cost to deliver an attractive business model for their service and from a shinny startup star boss that'd had to be a straight f.u.
- karmasimida 3y agoNot regular money I think it could be transferring of OpenAI’s assets to other entities. It is scandalous for sure
- Iv 3y agoEither that or he refused to do something that would bring a quick money grab. 50/50 as far as I'm concerned.
- Iv 3y agoThe board discovered that the process `GPT5-training` that has been running for months on their über-datacenter was actually mining bitcoins.
- Dr_Birdbrain 3y agoXD I love this theory
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