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The ADL also defines racism as something that only white people are capable of. https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/04/us/anti-defamation-league-racism-definition/inde

by Dig1t 3y ago

The ADL also defines racism as something that only white people are capable of. https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/04/us/anti-defamation-league-racism-definition/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/04/us/anti-defamation-league-rac... They changed the definition in 2022 from: "Racism is the belief that a particular race is superior or inferior to another, that a person’s social and moral traits are predetermined by his or her inborn biological characteristics. Racial separatism is the belief, most of the time based on racism, that different races should remain segregated and apart from one another." to "The marginalization and/or oppression of people of color based on a socially constructed racial hierarchy that privileges white people." There is at least SOME nuance here.

xcv123 3y ago
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- pharrington 3y ago
  The is nothing "anti-white" about acknowledging race based privilege in a given society.
  - xcv123 3y ago
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    - ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
      white privilege doesn't preclude being disadvantaged or struggling, what a weird hangup > having "white privilege" then yes it is racist by definition. When kids are taught that white people are inherently evil oh, okay, I see I am speaking with someone who is delusional, and likely has a chip on their shoulder. If you can come up with evidence that any significant number of kids are being taught that white people are, and I'm quoting you here, "inherently evil", I'll eat my hat.
      - xcv123 3y ago
        The issue of Critical Race Theory (CRT) in schools has been a subject of intense controversy and public debate for several years and many states have banned it already. Many states have legislated against it. There is an abundance of legal documentation you can read to find out why.
        orwin 3y ago
        Do you know what Critical Race Theory is? Or its superset, Critical theory? If it's taught at any level below highschool the US is probably the best educated country in the world, and critical thinking should be really high (is that why the less wrong movement emerged from your country?). In any case, I would be impressed, but I would understand the reasons to not teach it too early.
        xcv123 3y ago
        Yeah I studied mathematics and computer science at post graduate level, including formal logic, and consider CRT to be a pseudo-intellectual field of "study" that actively destroys critical thinking. There is no intellectual rigor in that. They produce indoctrinated midwits and are lobotomizing young people. Merely having "critical" in the title does not mean that it actually teaches critical thinking. Critical Theory has absolutely nothing to do with teaching critical thinking. > is that why the less wrong movement emerged from your country? I live far away from the USA in a very "progressive" country.
        orwin 3y ago
        What? I understand why people think that its usefulness is overblown (I do too), I understand calling-it pseudo-intellectual too. That's in my opinion a mistake, because my huge issue with it is that it is too intellectual, with almost no real, prescriptive value (too much contradictions). I also think that its writers like to smell their own farts, to take an image from South Park. But 'not critical thinking'? I'm not calling you a liar, but are you sure you learned critical theory in your field of study? What was taught about it? Or were you just suffering from second-hand exposure (like you talked to sociology students)? But critical theory is basically applying critical thinking to... Almost everything,and especially social relations and norms (which is why it's not really useful 99% of the time). I think I have to illustrate it a bit: it was used in archeology (and linguistics) with success. Basically : a lot of European 'war chiefs' tombs were discovered in the 19th century by people who thought only men can use weapons. Someone who took their critical theory course seriously said: 'can we check those bones again to see if they had bias?', and, as easely predicted, having weapons in a cairn did not meant the skeleton was male, thus we no understand info-european culture better than before (which is more in line with ancient Celtic culture than Judeo-Christian culture, especially when it comes to females). It has to be credited for change in the teaching culture too. The 'teachers must learn as much as they teach' is a direct relative to critical theory. Is that what you are against then? I think I like that position in my mind, but some learn better under pressure and rather have authoritarian teachers (I know I do), so in the end it's a negative,i agree. Like I said, it's not pseudo-intellectual, it's too intellectual to be effective. The ideas are nice, the praxis is limited. It's not a materialist theory. I also disagree with like 60% of CT critic of Marx (the only think they got right was the critic of ideology, but tbh I think this originally was from Foucault, so not new at all). Ultimately, I think the best critic of Critical Theory is one that weren't really aimed at it, Baudrillard's hyperreality. (I'm stopping here, sorry, I would have to type twice as much to explain why, just read Baudrillard Simulacrum, it's the most interesting conservative thinker of the era imho) (and yes, he is conservative).
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usefulcat 3y ago
According to the article you linked, the 'white people' definition was in use from 2020-2022, and then they broadened the definition in 2022: "Since 2020, the ADL had described racism as 'the marginalization and/or oppression of people of color based on a socially constructed racial hierarchy that privileges White people.'" "As of Friday [February 4th 2022], the group’s new and 'interim' definition states that racism 'occurs when individuals or institutions show more favorable evaluation or treatment of an individual or group based on race or ethnicity.'"

by Dig1t 3y ago

xcv123 3y ago

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pharrington 3y ago
The is nothing "anti-white" about acknowledging race based privilege in a given society.
- xcv123 3y ago
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  - ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
    white privilege doesn't preclude being disadvantaged or struggling, what a weird hangup > having "white privilege" then yes it is racist by definition. When kids are taught that white people are inherently evil oh, okay, I see I am speaking with someone who is delusional, and likely has a chip on their shoulder. If you can come up with evidence that any significant number of kids are being taught that white people are, and I'm quoting you here, "inherently evil", I'll eat my hat.
    - xcv123 3y ago
      The issue of Critical Race Theory (CRT) in schools has been a subject of intense controversy and public debate for several years and many states have banned it already. Many states have legislated against it. There is an abundance of legal documentation you can read to find out why.
      - orwin 3y ago
        Do you know what Critical Race Theory is? Or its superset, Critical theory? If it's taught at any level below highschool the US is probably the best educated country in the world, and critical thinking should be really high (is that why the less wrong movement emerged from your country?). In any case, I would be impressed, but I would understand the reasons to not teach it too early.
        xcv123 3y ago
        Yeah I studied mathematics and computer science at post graduate level, including formal logic, and consider CRT to be a pseudo-intellectual field of "study" that actively destroys critical thinking. There is no intellectual rigor in that. They produce indoctrinated midwits and are lobotomizing young people. Merely having "critical" in the title does not mean that it actually teaches critical thinking. Critical Theory has absolutely nothing to do with teaching critical thinking. > is that why the less wrong movement emerged from your country? I live far away from the USA in a very "progressive" country.
        orwin 3y ago
        What? I understand why people think that its usefulness is overblown (I do too), I understand calling-it pseudo-intellectual too. That's in my opinion a mistake, because my huge issue with it is that it is too intellectual, with almost no real, prescriptive value (too much contradictions). I also think that its writers like to smell their own farts, to take an image from South Park. But 'not critical thinking'? I'm not calling you a liar, but are you sure you learned critical theory in your field of study? What was taught about it? Or were you just suffering from second-hand exposure (like you talked to sociology students)? But critical theory is basically applying critical thinking to... Almost everything,and especially social relations and norms (which is why it's not really useful 99% of the time). I think I have to illustrate it a bit: it was used in archeology (and linguistics) with success. Basically : a lot of European 'war chiefs' tombs were discovered in the 19th century by people who thought only men can use weapons. Someone who took their critical theory course seriously said: 'can we check those bones again to see if they had bias?', and, as easely predicted, having weapons in a cairn did not meant the skeleton was male, thus we no understand info-european culture better than before (which is more in line with ancient Celtic culture than Judeo-Christian culture, especially when it comes to females). It has to be credited for change in the teaching culture too. The 'teachers must learn as much as they teach' is a direct relative to critical theory. Is that what you are against then? I think I like that position in my mind, but some learn better under pressure and rather have authoritarian teachers (I know I do), so in the end it's a negative,i agree. Like I said, it's not pseudo-intellectual, it's too intellectual to be effective. The ideas are nice, the praxis is limited. It's not a materialist theory. I also disagree with like 60% of CT critic of Marx (the only think they got right was the critic of ideology, but tbh I think this originally was from Foucault, so not new at all). Ultimately, I think the best critic of Critical Theory is one that weren't really aimed at it, Baudrillard's hyperreality. (I'm stopping here, sorry, I would have to type twice as much to explain why, just read Baudrillard Simulacrum, it's the most interesting conservative thinker of the era imho) (and yes, he is conservative).
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usefulcat 3y ago

According to the article you linked, the 'white people' definition was in use from 2020-2022, and then they broadened the definition in 2022: "Since 2020, the ADL had described racism as 'the marginalization and/or oppression of people of color based on a socially constructed racial hierarchy that privileges White people.'" "As of Friday [February 4th 2022], the group’s new and 'interim' definition states that racism 'occurs when individuals or institutions show more favorable evaluation or treatment of an individual or group based on race or ethnicity.'"