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US business elite welcomes Xi Jinping with standing ovation
- theandrewbailey 3y ago[flagged]
- dang 3y agoPlease don't take HN threads into flamewar hell. You broke the site guidelines badly here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
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- wangii 3y agoStop, Nobody likes to hear about the truth, or look into the mirror. That's how you got downvoted.
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- the-dude 3y ago[flagged]
- unethical_ban 3y agoI downvote inaccurate or irrelevant takes on a subject, as well as persecution complexes.
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- sudofox 3y ago[flagged]
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- corethree 3y ago[flagged]
- dang 3y agoPlease don't take HN threads further into flamewar hell. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
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- ironyman 3y agoarchive: https://archive.is/oyYAM https://archive.is/oyYAM
- chiefalchemist 3y ago> “The world needs China and the US to work together for a better future,” he added. “China is ready to be a partner and friend of the US.” So if China isn't going to become more democratic / less authoritarian - it's gone on record about that - then what does this say about the USA's stance against such things? What does that say about where the USA sees its future going? Is the quarterly or so military saber-rattling legit or something drummed up by the MIC to keep the budgetary dollars flowing? I read the article and couldn't help but feel like changing my name to Winston Smith.
- zerbinxx 3y agoThe U.S. is presently grappling with its own democracy-related issues, rise in authoritarianism, and declining quality of life, as well as a lot of “de globalization” problems originating in its poor attempts at playing hardball with China and other powers (Russia) that it just doesn't like. In my opinion, the most grim and dystopian elements of China’s system (Social Credit, censorship, mass surveillance, extreme bureaucracy) are either already present in the U.S., but with a decentralized/capitalist bent rather than a centralized/communist one.
- chiefalchemist 3y agoAgreed. The 1984 reference was more about how the truths of both countries and the relationship between them reeks of newspeak (i.e., propaganda). It all feels so staged so contrived.
- culi 3y ago> In my opinion, the most grim and dystopian elements of China’s system (Social Credit, censorship, mass surveillance, extreme bureaucracy) are either already present in the U.S., but with a decentralized/capitalist bent rather than a centralized/communist one A lot of these are over-hyped by Western media. For example's China's "social credit" system seems even more basic/low-tech than America's "credit score" and has less of an impact on people's lives than the American Credit Score. It's actually almost only used for business executives, judges, and other people in power rather than ordinary citizens.[0-3] Similarly, "mass surveillance" has actually been going the other direction in many areas. Back in 2021 the Supreme People's Court basically made facial recognition illegal in public and nationally they're moving to even restrict business uses of it. Which puts them pretty far ahead of where the US is on the issue currently.[4-5] [0] https://jamestown.org/program/far-from-a-panopticon-social-credit-focuses-on-legal-violations/ https://jamestown.org/program/far-from-a-panopticon-social-c... [1] https://www.vice.com/en/article/pkpe3z/china-social-credit-meme https://www.vice.com/en/article/pkpe3z/china-social-credit-m... [2] https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/09/15/china-social-credit-system-authoritarian/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/09/15/china-social-credit-sys... [3] https://merics.org/en/comment/chinas-social-credit-score-untangling-myth-reality https://merics.org/en/comment/chinas-social-credit-score-unt... [4] https://www.loc.gov/item/global-legal-monitor/2021-08-15/china-supreme-peoples-court-issues-judicial-interpretation-against-misuse-of-facial-recognition-technology/ https://www.loc.gov/item/global-legal-monitor/2021-08-15/chi... [5] https://www.cnbc.com/2023/08/08/china-releases-plans-to-restrict-facial-recognition-technology.html https://www.cnbc.com/2023/08/08/china-releases-plans-to-rest...
- bell-cot 3y agoUm...yes? They didn't get to be the US business elite by prioritizing patriotism and idealism over profit and power.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y agoWarren Buffet says that he needs America more than America needs him and credits American dynamism for his success.
- rogerkirkness 3y agoMakes sense because he runs an index fund of late stage American brands
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y agoWhich index fund is that?
- yieldcrv 3y agoBerkshire Hathaway
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y agoThat's not an index fund, that's a company.
- yieldcrv 3y agoWe know
- tiahura 3y agoWhich index fund is that? Stratton Oakmont
- bell-cot 3y ago
- oliv__ 3y agoI saw a similar piece in the WSJ and honestly my first thought was: these were arranged by the US gov to make XI happy and make it look like "hey the US really is friendly to China" Sad if true but maybe I'm too cynical
- badcppdev 3y agoWhy would the government need to be involved? It's an uninteresting self organising phenomenon where commercial entities pay attention to and show respect to bigger entities.
- Ajay-p 3y agoIs this pandering or do these business leaders truly honor and respect President Xi? By all accounts he is a dictator and many of China's governmental policies run contradictory to Western values and morals. This is not to assume that America is perfect, or without its own problems, but the basic principals of free speech, elections, and assembly in China are without question deplorable.
- s_dev 3y agoIt's absolutely pandering. These same lads denounce democrats and progressives for being "socialist" or "communist" for not backing unhinged neo-liberal policies. Xi is literally an authoritarian communist quasi dictator and gets a standing ovation.
- kouru225 3y agoPrivate ownership of capital is legal in China. It’s not communist at all.
- me_me_me 3y agoOh here we go again, but CCCP was a communist state, eh? This is akin to calling everything and everyone socialist.
- philipov 3y agoThe Soviet Union was a socialist state: that was the word they used to describe themselves. It was ruled by the Communist Party, which has nothing to do with the economic or political system the country followed. The best word to describe China's economic system is Mercantilism.
- kube-system 3y agoI believe, academically, the phrase used to describe China's economy is "socialist market economy". However, that doesn't preclude calling Xi a "communist", as the other commenter did above. A person is not the economy, and I think there is plenty of evidence to conclude that Xi is worth of the label.
- Leary 3y agoHere's the whole speech: https://youtu.be/cTgtQ3Fl1jw?si=FnLAYTLIKM2ZAYZE&t=1139 https://youtu.be/cTgtQ3Fl1jw?si=FnLAYTLIKM2ZAYZE&t=1139 Transcript: https://news.cgtn.com/news/2023-11-17/Full-text-Xi-s-speech-at-welcome-dinner-in-U-S--1oMGfl69DxK/index.html https://news.cgtn.com/news/2023-11-17/Full-text-Xi-s-speech-...
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- rdm_blackhole 3y agoI mean, is that a surprise? I personally thinks it's a bad bet. What happens when China invades Taiwan? Will business continue as usual?
- failuser 3y agoIt crazy how they so eagerly hasten their own destruction of a short-term profit. As China becomes stronger their bargaining power weakens. What use will China have for them once it moves up the technological ladder? Only screw-ups of Chinese leadership like single child policy or too aggressive foreign. policy might prevent China from becoming the by far the largest economy now. What will US business elite do then?
- zingababba 3y agoIt was hosted by the National Committee on U.S.-China Relations and US-China Business Council, what do you expect?
- billbrown 3y agoYou don't want to be the one not clapping, to stop clapping, or to start last. Dictators notice these things. https://mannerofspeaking.org/2010/05/12/some-chilling-public-speaking-history/ https://mannerofspeaking.org/2010/05/12/some-chilling-public...