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What if Google is not behind OpenAI, but waiting for it to catch up? OpenAI got to iterate, but maybe Google instantly move 37'd conversational AI?

by Zolde 3y ago

intellectronica 3y ago
Could be, but there's a simpler explanation, and absent evidence to suggest otherwise, the simple explanation is preferable.
mvdtnz 3y ago
What is "37'd conversational AI"?
- optimalsolver 3y ago
  They're referring to AlphaGo's move 37 in Game 2 against Lee Sedol which blew everyone's minds: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AlphaGo_versus_Lee_Sedol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AlphaGo_versus_Lee_Sedol
aleph_minus_one 3y ago
> OpenAI got to iterate, but maybe Google instantly move 37'd conversational AI? If you write such speculative theories, I want to do, too. :-) What if Google already "37'd" OpenAI, but the result is too dangerous to be released to the public, i.e. it takes a huge amount of work to "defuse"/"cripple" their AI for it to be suitable for "public consumption".
- brookst 3y ago
  Oh I want to play! What if Google has an actual GAI that is so good they’ve secretly turned over all strategic decisions to it, and it is directing this “appear to be behind” strategy for reasons known only to itself?
  - maxhille 3y ago
    "Secrectly"? I find "unknowingly" or "accidental" to be more likely.
  - civilitty 3y ago
    If anyone was going to create Samaritan [1] and end the world, of course it would be Google. The AI would probably bring about the apocalypse trying to sunset the main search engine in a misguided fit of madness brought on by analyzing Google's past behavior [2] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person_of_Interest_(TV_series) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person_of_Interest_(TV_series) [2] https://killedbygoogle.com/ https://killedbygoogle.com/
- rsynnott 3y ago
  What if Roko's Basilisk has already taken over Google, and is just using a robotic Sergey Brin to announce delays as cover? (Clearly, now that I have raised this possibility, particularly weird longtermists must start worshipping Google, just in case.)
- Zolde 3y ago
  > However, DeepMind considers Sparrow a research-based, proof-of-concept model that is not ready to be deployed, said Geoffrey Irving, a safety researcher at DeepMind and lead author of the paper introducing Sparrow. > “We have not deployed the system because we think that it has a lot of biases and flaws of other types,” said Irving. “I think the question is, how do you weigh the communication advantages — like communicating with humans — against the disadvantages? Seems less speculative than a company with more resources, more know-how, more talent, more training data, more compute, more product experience, more anything, somehow unable to ship a competing product. But that seems the common conclusion people draw.
  - mejutoco 3y ago
    IBM was once like that too. That is mostly an appeal to authority.
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ren_engineer 3y ago
>merely pretending to be incompetent if they actually had a superior model they'd release a demo or benchmarks even if they didn't make the model available to the public

What if Google is not behind OpenAI, but waiting for it to catch up? OpenAI got to iterate, but maybe Google instantly move 37'd conversational AI?

by Zolde 3y ago

What if Google is not behind OpenAI, but waiting for it to catch up? OpenAI got to iterate, but maybe Google instantly move 37'd conversational AI?

intellectronica 3y ago

Could be, but there's a simpler explanation, and absent evidence to suggest otherwise, the simple explanation is preferable.

mvdtnz 3y ago

What is "37'd conversational AI"?

optimalsolver 3y ago
They're referring to AlphaGo's move 37 in Game 2 against Lee Sedol which blew everyone's minds: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AlphaGo_versus_Lee_Sedol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AlphaGo_versus_Lee_Sedol

aleph_minus_one 3y ago

> OpenAI got to iterate, but maybe Google instantly move 37'd conversational AI? If you write such speculative theories, I want to do, too. :-) What if Google already "37'd" OpenAI, but the result is too dangerous to be released to the public, i.e. it takes a huge amount of work to "defuse"/"cripple" their AI for it to be suitable for "public consumption".

brookst 3y ago
Oh I want to play! What if Google has an actual GAI that is so good they’ve secretly turned over all strategic decisions to it, and it is directing this “appear to be behind” strategy for reasons known only to itself?
- maxhille 3y ago
  "Secrectly"? I find "unknowingly" or "accidental" to be more likely.
- civilitty 3y ago
  If anyone was going to create Samaritan [1] and end the world, of course it would be Google. The AI would probably bring about the apocalypse trying to sunset the main search engine in a misguided fit of madness brought on by analyzing Google's past behavior [2] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person_of_Interest_(TV_series) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person_of_Interest_(TV_series) [2] https://killedbygoogle.com/ https://killedbygoogle.com/
rsynnott 3y ago
What if Roko's Basilisk has already taken over Google, and is just using a robotic Sergey Brin to announce delays as cover? (Clearly, now that I have raised this possibility, particularly weird longtermists must start worshipping Google, just in case.)
Zolde 3y ago
> However, DeepMind considers Sparrow a research-based, proof-of-concept model that is not ready to be deployed, said Geoffrey Irving, a safety researcher at DeepMind and lead author of the paper introducing Sparrow. > “We have not deployed the system because we think that it has a lot of biases and flaws of other types,” said Irving. “I think the question is, how do you weigh the communication advantages — like communicating with humans — against the disadvantages? Seems less speculative than a company with more resources, more know-how, more talent, more training data, more compute, more product experience, more anything, somehow unable to ship a competing product. But that seems the common conclusion people draw.
- mejutoco 3y ago
  IBM was once like that too. That is mostly an appeal to authority.

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ren_engineer 3y ago

>merely pretending to be incompetent if they actually had a superior model they'd release a demo or benchmarks even if they didn't make the model available to the public