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>All of China/Asia/Africa are free manufacturing for the West… Not free. But extremely cheap. >Of course, the view that they don’t innovate and only knockoff

>All of China/Asia/Africa are free manufacturing for the West… Not free. But extremely cheap. >Of course, the view that they don’t innovate and only knockoff the West is also hilariously false. Of course not. I never made this claim. But in China, the incentive to innovate is much lower due to lack of enforcement of intellectual property rights. So of course in terms of cost/benefit ratio every individual in China is more incentivized to copy someone else's innovation rather than innovate themselves. It's the most logical move. It's sort of a strange parasitic symbiosis between the US and China that in theory should never work. When China steals ideas and manufacturing from the US and tries to sell it back to the US, one would think there's trade imbalance that would cause the whole thing to break down. The thing that keeps it afloat is marketing at quality control. China can rip off a product but issues with marketing and QC prevent them from effectively selling it. So what happens is the US uses China to manufacture and then they sell the products at a huge margin above the manufacturing cost to everyone in the world including China. Everybody gets fucked in this scenario except for US corporations. But at the same time everybody makes enough money such that the whole economic cycle doesn't fall apart.

yunohn 3y ago
> Of course not. I never made this claim. I’m aware you left yourself a bit of wriggle room versus the absolute claim. Doesn’t change how it sounds. > When China steals ideas You know how they say the execution matters, not just the idea? > and manufacturing from the US US companies bring the plan, but the Chinese factories have unparalleled skills in actually manufacturing the product into reality. Not sure how you are claiming that they both can and can’t deliver the required quality? Almost everything, high and low quality, can be manufactured in China. Spend the full $$$ value and you’ll get unbeatable quality. But pay peanuts, get cheap things. > marketing at quality control. China can rip off a product To continue my point above, they take that product and manufacture it with the best cost-value ratio for the mass consumer. You can always get various levels of quality in knockoffs. > sell the products at a huge margin above the manufacturing cost This is actually connected to my previous post. The West is able to do this solely due to economic and currency disparities, which are further perpetuated by the West. Hence, you get: > Not free. But extremely cheap. The West is completely dependent on the non-West for labor. It’s such a massive point of failure that the Western lifestyle would fall apart otherwise.
- corethree 3y ago
  >I’m aware you left yourself a bit of wriggle room versus the absolute claim. Doesn’t change how it sounds. No. What happened here is you interpreted it as a insult to your pride. That did not occur. What occurred was a statement of a fact. It was you're own pride and bias that changed how it sounded. >You know how they say the execution matters, not just the idea? So. What's your point? Everybody knows this. Why are you stating something obvious? I think you were so clouded by your pride that you can't see that I'm neutral. I really don't care. Your tone only became neutral when you realized I was a neutral party. You were blinded by your own pride when you thought you were communicating with an "enemy" and when you realized I'm neutral that cleared your mind. Now you're talking some sense. >Not sure how you are claiming that they both can and can’t deliver the required quality? Almost everything, high and low quality, can be manufactured in China. Spend the full $$$ value and you’ll get unbeatable quality. But pay peanuts, get cheap things. I said marketing AND QC. There's a ton of low quality shit coming out of China. A ton. There's a ton of high quality stuff too that's behind a wall of bad marketing. You just need to compare TEMU and Amazon. You say you're not sure how I made a claim that they can and cant' deliver the required quality then RIGHT after that statement you say almost everything high and low quality comes out China. So you aren't sure how I can make such a "claim" then you make the SAME claim right after that sentence. That makes no sense. >To continue my point above, they take that product and manufacture it with the best cost-value ratio for the mass consumer. You can always get various levels of quality in knockoffs. Quality is inconsistent enough that Chinese products are associated with poor quality. Additionally the marketing is just bad, your products may be made in China but the brand is rarely ever Chinese. >This is actually connected to my previous post. The West is able to do this solely due to economic and currency disparities, which are further perpetuated by the West. Hence, you get: Good we're in agreement. >The West is completely dependent on the non-West for labor. It’s such a massive point of failure that the Western lifestyle would fall apart otherwise. Not completely dependent. And not permanently dependent. Advanced manufacturing is still very much US exclusive. For example, boeing air liners. China does not know how to manufacture those things yet. And given the fact the US knows advanced manufacturing they can implement basic manufacturing again if the need arises. BUT, and this is a huge but, as more and more time passes with America not reinvigorating manufacturing they will slip deeper and deeper into permanent dependence. But overall we're in agreement here. Next time be more careful before you charge in with your guns armed. It's better to be neutral as you see the world with clearer eyes.

yunohn 3y ago

> Of course not. I never made this claim. I’m aware you left yourself a bit of wriggle room versus the absolute claim. Doesn’t change how it sounds. > When China steals ideas You know how they say the execution matters, not just the idea? > and manufacturing from the US US companies bring the plan, but the Chinese factories have unparalleled skills in actually manufacturing the product into reality. Not sure how you are claiming that they both can and can’t deliver the required quality? Almost everything, high and low quality, can be manufactured in China. Spend the full $$$ value and you’ll get unbeatable quality. But pay peanuts, get cheap things. > marketing at quality control. China can rip off a product To continue my point above, they take that product and manufacture it with the best cost-value ratio for the mass consumer. You can always get various levels of quality in knockoffs. > sell the products at a huge margin above the manufacturing cost This is actually connected to my previous post. The West is able to do this solely due to economic and currency disparities, which are further perpetuated by the West. Hence, you get: > Not free. But extremely cheap. The West is completely dependent on the non-West for labor. It’s such a massive point of failure that the Western lifestyle would fall apart otherwise.

corethree 3y ago
>I’m aware you left yourself a bit of wriggle room versus the absolute claim. Doesn’t change how it sounds. No. What happened here is you interpreted it as a insult to your pride. That did not occur. What occurred was a statement of a fact. It was you're own pride and bias that changed how it sounded. >You know how they say the execution matters, not just the idea? So. What's your point? Everybody knows this. Why are you stating something obvious? I think you were so clouded by your pride that you can't see that I'm neutral. I really don't care. Your tone only became neutral when you realized I was a neutral party. You were blinded by your own pride when you thought you were communicating with an "enemy" and when you realized I'm neutral that cleared your mind. Now you're talking some sense. >Not sure how you are claiming that they both can and can’t deliver the required quality? Almost everything, high and low quality, can be manufactured in China. Spend the full $$$ value and you’ll get unbeatable quality. But pay peanuts, get cheap things. I said marketing AND QC. There's a ton of low quality shit coming out of China. A ton. There's a ton of high quality stuff too that's behind a wall of bad marketing. You just need to compare TEMU and Amazon. You say you're not sure how I made a claim that they can and cant' deliver the required quality then RIGHT after that statement you say almost everything high and low quality comes out China. So you aren't sure how I can make such a "claim" then you make the SAME claim right after that sentence. That makes no sense. >To continue my point above, they take that product and manufacture it with the best cost-value ratio for the mass consumer. You can always get various levels of quality in knockoffs. Quality is inconsistent enough that Chinese products are associated with poor quality. Additionally the marketing is just bad, your products may be made in China but the brand is rarely ever Chinese. >This is actually connected to my previous post. The West is able to do this solely due to economic and currency disparities, which are further perpetuated by the West. Hence, you get: Good we're in agreement. >The West is completely dependent on the non-West for labor. It’s such a massive point of failure that the Western lifestyle would fall apart otherwise. Not completely dependent. And not permanently dependent. Advanced manufacturing is still very much US exclusive. For example, boeing air liners. China does not know how to manufacture those things yet. And given the fact the US knows advanced manufacturing they can implement basic manufacturing again if the need arises. BUT, and this is a huge but, as more and more time passes with America not reinvigorating manufacturing they will slip deeper and deeper into permanent dependence. But overall we're in agreement here. Next time be more careful before you charge in with your guns armed. It's better to be neutral as you see the world with clearer eyes.