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Can’t they support RCS but still have iPhone users blue ?
by zitterbewegung 3y ago
Can’t they support RCS but still have iPhone users blue ?
- kccqzy 3y agoYup. That's exactly what I predict Apple will do. RCS messaging will still have green bubbles. And it will continue to have the same psychological effect as SMS green bubbles do today. I think that's also why GP said there won't be a decline in iMessage usage.
- danielbln 3y agoSo weird reading this from the transatlantic sidelines, where noone cares one little bit what device a message was sent from.
- Spooky23 3y agoNobody does, it’s a bitchy trope. Green bubbles matter in group chats. You can’t easily change participants and stuff like reactions generate junk messages.
- ghodith 3y agoVery much not a trope. I personally know multiple people who refuse to text green bubbles, to the point of refusing dates from people who have Android.
- spike021 3y agoThat sounds like a people problem, not a tech problem.
- FirmwareBurner 3y agoIt sort of becomes a people problem as people use messaging to communicate and organize events and exclude you because you'll break group chats. Probably not a big issue if you already have a solid social circle of old tight friends who don't care about you breaking chats as they can also call you, but it can be huge issue when you move to a new city and trying to make new friend, as any extra friction you add to groups lessens your chances of being accepted and invited further. Yeah, people can be quite lazy and petty even about such trivial things, when they don't know you and don't have any attachment to you yet, and you breaking group chats won't improve your first impressions and chances of being accepted. Hence the ever increasing loneliness crisis we're facing. Thank fuck I live in Europe where nobody uses iMessage for group chats. Honestly fuck Apple for creating that unnecessary friction, it's not like they couldn't have accommodated blue bubbles to not break group chats but it's more profitable to emotionally extort people to buy your iJunk by making them feel outsiders.
- JohnFen 3y ago> it can be huge issue when you move to a new city and trying to make new friend Meh. I'm not interested in being part of a social circle that is as petty as that.
- ridewinter 3y agoThere's 40 million American teenagers who are very interested in being a part of petty social circles.
- FirmwareBurner 3y agoPretty much. Peer pressure is an insanely powerful thing when you're young and trying to fit in and Apple knows teens aren't gonna die on the "stick to an Android to stick it to them" hill.
- JohnFen 3y agoI was assuming this discussion was about adults, not children. Teenagers have always found petty reasons to reject others, but they usually grow up and learn better. This seems no different, so that part doesn't concern me much. If adults are doing it, though, that's entirely different.
- spike021 3y agoIs the argument you're making that the people complaining about this on HN are American teenagers? Seems like a completely different situation.... and really, again, a people problem.
- amadeuspagel 3y agoPeople rightly criticise social media companies for the behaviour their platforms encourage, and iMessage encourages this behaviour as much as twitter encourages outrage.
- spike021 3y agoI still believe that's a people problem. On Twitter you can easily curate Twitter lists of people to follow without being forced to use the generated feed. I'm rarely if ever outraged or otherwise emotionally charged when I'm using it. (Maybe except when I come across reply-bots) And as I said elsewhere in the thread, I've never experienced that problem with any friend groups when it comes to iMessage.
- filoleg 3y agoAnd I know multiple people who refuse dates from those who have a zodiac sign that is “incompatible” with theirs. I think we can safely disregard that as a factor, despite how relatively not-that-rare it could be.
- rospaya 3y agoYeah but bubbles sound like a class difference, astrology is just pseudoscience. People seldom get mocked for being a libra, but they often get prejudiced for having less money.
- JohnFen 3y agoGiven that there are Android phones on the market as or more expensive than iPhones, how can these people tell which Android users are poor?
- ghodith 3y agoSure, but there are no dirt cheap iPhones, unlike Android phones. There doesn't have to be 100% correlation before people start making assumptions.
- Spooky23 3y agoThere’s literally no difference in price. The only difference is that people more receptive to retail sales pitch buy androids as the reps get spiffs to move them.
- ghodith 3y agoOnly for top of the line android phones. There exists a huge lower-tier android market that iPhone doesn't compete in.
- ActorNightly 3y agoI mean, the argument isn't that they should accept the date (on the contrary, these signs are actually beneficial for staying the fuck away from these people), the argument, or rather statement is that this sort of "tech jewelry" is very embedded in modern society, with Apple being the frontrunner. And this has real effects. For example, Im forced to use a piece of shit Macbook at work, where literally everything else in our cloud runs on linux, because the company issues Macs as a way of attracting talent since "tech" people also want tech jewelry.
- hyperbovine 3y agoThis is not even among the top five weirdest things I have heard some base a dating decision on. People are complicated.
- PrimeMcFly 3y ago> I personally know multiple people who refuse to text green bubbles, to the point of refusing dates from people who have Android. Those people don't sound like people worth knowing. Ignorant and judgy to say the least.
- wolverine876 3y agoLife isn't so simple. What if that person is your boss or your client, or someone you love?
- PrimeMcFly 3y agoI mean the comment I replied to mentioned refusing dates from people with green text bubbles. If it's a boss or someone I love and they want to ignore my messages that's on them. If it's a work issue possibly HR could be involved as discrimination or outright ignoring messages based on device wouldn't really fly.
- ghodith 3y ago> Those people don't sound like people worth knowing. My boss could be refusing dates from people that have green bubbles, but not ignoring my messages. Same with a family member for example. Your comment says they aren't worth knowing either way.
- PrimeMcFly 3y agoI mean, sure if they are not ignoring your messages and you need or want to know them that's fine, but if they are still being that judgy for something so petty they seem like shitty people regardless.
- Zak 3y agoSomeone you love? If the affection is mutual they're not going to cut off communication with you because your phone doesn't run their favorite chat app.
- JohnFen 3y ago> to the point of refusing dates from people who have Android. The people who were refused dates dodged bullets, then.
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- gsich 3y agoSome mental illnesses can't be cured I guess.
- bigstrat2003 3y ago> I personally know multiple people who refuse to text green bubbles, to the point of refusing dates from people who have Android. Sounds like not dating them is dodging a real bullet if they're that shallow.
- MBCook 3y agoIt’s more than that. Videos and pictures sent via SMS absolutely suck because they were designed for 2004 era quality standards. I agree RCS will stay green. It will have text, good quality media, maybe read receipts. And that’s it. No E2EE or other extensions. Apple is fixing one issue (bad media quality) and taking away a disingenuous Google talking point. Perhaps this is also an argument to legislators that they don’t need to open iMessage. They’re never going to go out of their way to make it preferable in any way.
- eitally 3y agoMedia quality would be a start, at least. The only other thing I'd love for them to "fix" is the inability to add non-iPhone users to existing group chats. With those two things I -- and probably most Android users -- would be at a "don't care, this is good enough for me" state.
- mercutio2 3y agoYou can “add” SMS users to iMessage groups, if the group consists entirely of phone numbers and you’re on a device that supports SMS. The newly created SMS group doesn’t replace the thread associated with the original group, though, so it’s easy for the group to fork when this happens. Unlikely this will change with RCS.
- spike021 3y agoI live in America and literally nobody I know cares about this. Unfortunately I think it's just the typical remnant of the old Mac vs Windows haters who come out of the woodwork online to make it sound like a problem.
- devilbunny 3y agoI care, actually a fair bit, but only because I work in a building that has two areas that are complete dead zones for cellular reception, and our IT department blocks WiFi calling (but not iMessage data). Blue bubbles can message me in those areas; green cannot. It's not at all unusual for my phone to explode in dinging when I leave one of those areas. I wish they didn't block WiFi calling, because my cellular reception at home isn't great, and I'd use it there. We have an internal WiFi network separate from the public one, with per-user authentication, so you don't have to worry about visitors overloading the infrastructure (it's a hospital, lots of families and patients in addition to the staff).
- lotsofpulp 3y ago> Blue bubbles can message me in those areas; green cannot. They can, but one or both parties is refusing to use any of the numerous alternative messaging options like WhatsApp.
- devilbunny 3y agoI'm one guy. Six years ago, there were two of us out of ~30 that used Android. Both of us switched in the next year or so because nobody else would use a different app just to talk to us. So we were missing out on fairly critical information, and forget anything time-sensitive. On Android, it wasn't an issue to use Signal, because it will communicate securely if it can and by SMS if it can't. So you can still text anyone from the app. On iOS, not so much. I'd stay away from Whatsapp just to keep away from Meta.
- amadeuspagel 3y ago
- gsich 3y agoYes. In Europe it's common to use superior text messages like Signal. Even Whatsapp is better than iMessage.
- amadeuspagel 3y agoBecause everyone uses WhatsApp, because Apple did not reach enough market share early enough to push iMessage. That's lucky, I don't think europeans would be less susceptible to this kind of psychological manipulation.
- kccqzy 3y agoTo be frank, a lot of my WhatsApp-using friends were very upset that it was bought by Facebook. Fortunately they generally transitioned to Signal or Telegram, not iMessage due to significant Android market share.
- Angostura 3y agoI suspect Apple will still allow fallback to SMS and green bubbles, iMessage will be blue ansd RCS will be a new colour
- BHSPitMonkey 3y agoThe important thing (to me) isn't the bubble color, but that conversations between Android and iOS users with RCS won't degrade media down to Game Boy Color quality. At least, that's what I hope the outcome of this move is.
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- gumby 3y agoYeah, I assume SMS, RCS and iMessage messages will have different colors, like green, red, and blue. RCS is such carrier-dependent crap.