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Honestly both are abysmal. Even the F-150 is slipping like crazy in areas where it shouldn't matter. Locking differentials are really required for this sort of

Honestly both are abysmal. Even the F-150 is slipping like crazy in areas where it shouldn't matter. Locking differentials are really required for this sort of thing - or a four wheel motor setup where a motor is dedicated to each wheel and can apply power equally. Afaik none of the EV trucks have a mechanical locker or even a limited slip? This might be as easy as a software update for both. Reducing tire pressures and better/correct tires is also important - but lockers are can make up for that and even the best tires will fail if one wheel is slipping and taking all the torque. No one is gonna be doing this sort of thing with an EV though. There is no charging infrastructure out in the boonies.

tantalor 3y ago
> No one is gonna be doing this sort of thing with an EV though. There is no charging infrastructure out in the boonies. You don't think people have access to electricity in these places...?
- alphabettsy 3y ago
  Yea, that’s often the only utility they have. No water, sewer, internet.
- whalesalad 3y ago
  There are vast parts of the country where your cell phone won’t even work. Good luck finding a charging station. Guess ya can bring your dongle and hope to find a wall plug somewhere but I’d imagine it would take quite a long time to charge. Off roaders carry extra fuel. Or worst case your buddy who is out with you will circle back to get fuel and come save you. Can’t really do that with an EV.
  - toomuchtodo 3y ago
    If no power, how would you have a gas station? You can always drop solar and batteries for a charging station. StarLink for remote telemetry and billing. https://cleantechnica.com/2023/04/30/a-new-solution-for-off-grid-ev-charging-solution/ https://cleantechnica.com/2023/04/30/a-new-solution-for-off-...
    - whalesalad 3y ago
      What are you gonna do at a gas station in buttfuck? Ask to borrow the wall plug? How do you pay for that? How long does it take to recharge without a dedicated wall charger or high power charging station?
      - toomuchtodo 3y ago
        Yes, gas stations in the middle of nowhere have let me use their 220V 30amps to charge. Campsites too. Billing can be automated with the current EV charging standard. You get about 5 miles of range per hour off a 120V 20A circuit. https://supercharge.info/map https://supercharge.info/map https://www.plugshare.com/ https://www.plugshare.com/
        whalesalad 3y ago
        > You get about 5 miles of range per hour off a 120V 20A circuit. I suppose that technically works but I’d imagine you’d be sleeping in the truck all night while it charges to get just enough juice to get out of dodge. 8 hours is 40 miles. If the weather is bad and you need heat that falls apart though.
- cgh 3y ago
  Often not. On hunting trips where I live, I'm away from all infrastructure on rough terrain for days at a time. I drive a Nissan Frontier and it grinds its way up steep logging roads for hours each day.
- veec_cas_tant 3y ago
  To be clear, it looks like there are 40+ DC fast chargers within 50 miles of this location, which seems to be Hollister Hills in CA. Hard to count because it is close to San Jose.
  - whalesalad 3y ago
    Hollister Hills is one of the best off road parks I’ve ever been to. It’s fortunate to be located in NorCal where charging is more common.
jmtulloss 3y ago
I do things like this from time to time with my Rivian. You're right that charging infrastructure is a challenge, but two things make a big difference: - Lots of campgrounds have 30 or 50 amp plugs for RVs. Oftentimes off-road trips I go on start by everybody getting together at night so we can get an early start the next day. If you can meet near an RV campground (not always a great option), you can charge - Most offroad trips are a relatively low number of miles. It can be pretty technical and you're trying to enjoy the time together. You can make it a lot of hours without spending a lot of miles All that being said, I have been sweating it on the way to the nearest charger after getting off the trails.
- whalesalad 3y ago
  The campground RV thing is an a-ha moment for sure. Good to know. Agreed on low and slow and being able to make a full day out of a relatively small actual distance. Depending on where you live though the trailhead might be quite a ways from civilization and so you eat range getting to it. If I was going to get an EV truck Rivian would def be the way to go. Just don’t let the OTA update brick your infotainment lol.
- fragmede 3y ago
  it's a truck. throw a honda genny with a 240v output, and a couple of gallons of gas, and charge it overnight. it's not about being perfectly environment pious, but going away from rolling coal.
  - jmtulloss 3y ago
    I thought about this more than I care to admit. Bottom line: I don't think it's worth it for most people to have a generator for camping. For me: - Generators are expensive. If you want to charge overnight, you're looking at 6.6kw continuous and for a honda that's at least $3500. Luckily harbor freight exists and maybe you can get away with $900 (srsly harbor freight is amazing) - I already have a generator and my mostly propane-powered house can easily get by with a 4.3kw peak generator which would not be a great solution on the trail. At 3.5kw continuous... That's getting to be around 24 hours to get from 20% to 80% charging the truck - Generators are hard to store. Especially if you're not using them regularly and you bought a second one just to take offroading. - Generators are heavy, especially as you add more power. Sounds like a pain to load that thing up every time. - I don't want to take the generator when my wife and son might need it at home. Admittedly this has never actually happened (I don't make a habit of leaving when storms are inbound), but it's a risk.
mike_d 3y ago
> No one is gonna be doing this sort of thing with an EV though. There is no charging infrastructure out in the boonies. Jeep has built solar supplied charging stations at most of the 56 badge of honor trailheads and continues to expand in partnership with Volkswagen. The Rivian recently did an end-to-end run of the Rubicon trail using the Jeep chargers.
- whalesalad 3y ago
  TIL - that is pretty neat.

tantalor 3y ago

> No one is gonna be doing this sort of thing with an EV though. There is no charging infrastructure out in the boonies. You don't think people have access to electricity in these places...?

alphabettsy 3y ago
Yea, that’s often the only utility they have. No water, sewer, internet.
whalesalad 3y ago
There are vast parts of the country where your cell phone won’t even work. Good luck finding a charging station. Guess ya can bring your dongle and hope to find a wall plug somewhere but I’d imagine it would take quite a long time to charge. Off roaders carry extra fuel. Or worst case your buddy who is out with you will circle back to get fuel and come save you. Can’t really do that with an EV.
- toomuchtodo 3y ago
  If no power, how would you have a gas station? You can always drop solar and batteries for a charging station. StarLink for remote telemetry and billing. https://cleantechnica.com/2023/04/30/a-new-solution-for-off-grid-ev-charging-solution/ https://cleantechnica.com/2023/04/30/a-new-solution-for-off-...
  - whalesalad 3y ago
    What are you gonna do at a gas station in buttfuck? Ask to borrow the wall plug? How do you pay for that? How long does it take to recharge without a dedicated wall charger or high power charging station?
    - toomuchtodo 3y ago
      Yes, gas stations in the middle of nowhere have let me use their 220V 30amps to charge. Campsites too. Billing can be automated with the current EV charging standard. You get about 5 miles of range per hour off a 120V 20A circuit. https://supercharge.info/map https://supercharge.info/map https://www.plugshare.com/ https://www.plugshare.com/
      - whalesalad 3y ago
        > You get about 5 miles of range per hour off a 120V 20A circuit. I suppose that technically works but I’d imagine you’d be sleeping in the truck all night while it charges to get just enough juice to get out of dodge. 8 hours is 40 miles. If the weather is bad and you need heat that falls apart though.
cgh 3y ago
Often not. On hunting trips where I live, I'm away from all infrastructure on rough terrain for days at a time. I drive a Nissan Frontier and it grinds its way up steep logging roads for hours each day.
veec_cas_tant 3y ago
To be clear, it looks like there are 40+ DC fast chargers within 50 miles of this location, which seems to be Hollister Hills in CA. Hard to count because it is close to San Jose.
- whalesalad 3y ago
  Hollister Hills is one of the best off road parks I’ve ever been to. It’s fortunate to be located in NorCal where charging is more common.

jmtulloss 3y ago

I do things like this from time to time with my Rivian. You're right that charging infrastructure is a challenge, but two things make a big difference: - Lots of campgrounds have 30 or 50 amp plugs for RVs. Oftentimes off-road trips I go on start by everybody getting together at night so we can get an early start the next day. If you can meet near an RV campground (not always a great option), you can charge - Most offroad trips are a relatively low number of miles. It can be pretty technical and you're trying to enjoy the time together. You can make it a lot of hours without spending a lot of miles All that being said, I have been sweating it on the way to the nearest charger after getting off the trails.

whalesalad 3y ago
The campground RV thing is an a-ha moment for sure. Good to know. Agreed on low and slow and being able to make a full day out of a relatively small actual distance. Depending on where you live though the trailhead might be quite a ways from civilization and so you eat range getting to it. If I was going to get an EV truck Rivian would def be the way to go. Just don’t let the OTA update brick your infotainment lol.
fragmede 3y ago
it's a truck. throw a honda genny with a 240v output, and a couple of gallons of gas, and charge it overnight. it's not about being perfectly environment pious, but going away from rolling coal.
- jmtulloss 3y ago
  I thought about this more than I care to admit. Bottom line: I don't think it's worth it for most people to have a generator for camping. For me: - Generators are expensive. If you want to charge overnight, you're looking at 6.6kw continuous and for a honda that's at least $3500. Luckily harbor freight exists and maybe you can get away with $900 (srsly harbor freight is amazing) - I already have a generator and my mostly propane-powered house can easily get by with a 4.3kw peak generator which would not be a great solution on the trail. At 3.5kw continuous... That's getting to be around 24 hours to get from 20% to 80% charging the truck - Generators are hard to store. Especially if you're not using them regularly and you bought a second one just to take offroading. - Generators are heavy, especially as you add more power. Sounds like a pain to load that thing up every time. - I don't want to take the generator when my wife and son might need it at home. Admittedly this has never actually happened (I don't make a habit of leaving when storms are inbound), but it's a risk.

mike_d 3y ago

> No one is gonna be doing this sort of thing with an EV though. There is no charging infrastructure out in the boonies. Jeep has built solar supplied charging stations at most of the 56 badge of honor trailheads and continues to expand in partnership with Volkswagen. The Rivian recently did an end-to-end run of the Rubicon trail using the Jeep chargers.

whalesalad 3y ago
TIL - that is pretty neat.