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You're exactly correct on the solution, but allow me to take it down to a more fundamental level; the traditional liberal arts education! 1. Grammar to underst
by 23B1 3y ago
You're exactly correct on the solution, but allow me to take it down to a more fundamental level; the traditional liberal arts education!
1. Grammar to understand language
2. Logic to construct arguments based on reason
3. Rhetoric to articulate those ideas and refine them based on communicating with others.
You're also correct in that it is post-modernism which is the root of much of this weird new orthodoxy. It has its place in academia, it's useful for deconstructing an idea or thing, but no place in running a society in which there must be standards of truth upon which we all agree.
- keiferski 3y agoYeah I wish the Great Books or a similar "classical liberal arts education" would make a comeback, but unfortunately it faces opposition from both the STEM set and contemporary liberal arts departments. Institutionally, I can't think of anyone doing this other than St. John's.
- Pet_Ant 3y ago> Yeah I wish the Great Books or a similar "classical liberal arts education" would make a comeback, Being a better citizen does not result (directly) in a bigger economy and all educational institutions are under pressure to demonstrate how they are better at preparing students for the workforce. The liberal arts education suffers for this.
- throw10920 3y agoMy engineering degree at my state school known for its liberal arts education required that a quarter of the classes I took weren't related to engineering or a classical liberal arts education - just random credits with no discernable cause other than to make the university money. If your theory was correct, then the vast majority of those classes would have been engineering-related, with the extras going to classical liberal arts.
- bombcar 3y agoThere's a few other openly religious institutes doing a Great Books curriculum in the style of St John's.
- 23B1 3y agoThe good news is that all the stuff you need to start your own institution is "on chain" in the curricula itself!
- Spooky23 3y agoWorse, “classical liberal arts” has been hijacked by more reactionary types as a way to whitewash stuff in school.
- throw10920 3y agoAt my school, it was the opposite - "classical liberal arts" were hijacked by radical progressives to rewrite history and spread misinformation about human biology. So I guess it goes both ways.
- jimbokun 3y agoI fear the people most advocating for "liberal arts education" today are also likely to be among the most orthodox minded.
- 23B1 3y agoAny cause or idea can be appropriated by people you don't like. Doesn't make the idea bad.
- jimbokun 3y agoBut it makes it difficult to get a classic "liberal arts education" if the people running liberal arts programs don't believe in it.
- 23B1 3y agoIf you need the degree from an accredited institution, I suppose. But even then, it's not insurmountable to learn these concepts on your own and apply them in the real world.
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