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dragonwriter 3y ago
Its a new English word that is widely used; it may not yet have been picked up by dictionaries, which are trailing catalogs of usage, but that doesn't make it “not a word”.
- Always_Anon 3y ago
  >Its a new English word that is widely used No it's not. >it may not yet have been picked up by dictionaries, which are trailing catalogs of usage, but that doesn't make it “not a word”. It's not picked up by dictionaries because it's not a word. Its small usage by activist does not make it a word.
  - dragonwriter 3y ago
    > Its small usage by activist NIST in the US and the National Cyber Security Center in the UK, as well as much of the industry, use the term, but go ahead and persist in your ideologically-based denial that it is, in fact, a word in use.
    - Always_Anon 3y ago
      >NIST in the US In the wake of the "Summer of Love", some ideologues at NIST decided to jump on the band wagon and created an internal memo about "inclusive language". They ironically did not define the new terms, did not include them in their definition documentation, and was for internal use only as a guide, not requirements. >but go ahead and persist in your ideologically-based denial that it is, in fact, a word in use. but go ahead and persist in your ideologically-based denial that it is, in fact, not a word.
huytersd 3y ago
Deny and list have both been words for more than 1500 years. Unless someone is trying to be particularly daft, it’s pretty straightforward to put them together and grok a mean. Much better than blacklist. If you didn’t have a dictionary, you would never know.
- Always_Anon 3y ago
  >Deny and list have both been words for more than 1500 years. Neat, but denylist isn't a word. Thank you for proving my point. >Unless someone is trying to be particularly daft, it’s pretty straightforward to put them together and grok a mean. Except it's not, especially for those who are not as privileged and learn English as a second language. "Broad" and "way" are two words that when put together mean something very different. QED. >Much better than blacklist. Not at all, since it's not a word. >If you didn’t have a dictionary, you would never know. Thank God the word predates computers and we all know what it means.
  - huytersd 3y ago
    That’s hilarious, you said it yourself. Someone that’s learning English is going to magically understand what blacklist mean or can basically figure out what deny and list mean instead?
    - Always_Anon 3y ago
      Yes they will, because translation dictionaries with "blacklist" predate the advent of digital computers. QED.
      - huytersd 3y ago
        Deny and list predate digital computers. Why do you hate logical naming?
        Always_Anon 3y ago
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        huytersd 3y ago
        That’s just semantics. You’re purposely being daft to rationalize your point. Everyone reading that knows it’s deny list.

Always_Anon 3y ago

>Removing master is not just Reddit. It has already happened in all big corps in America. Lemmings and all. It was dumb then, it's dumb now. Lots of repos still use master. >You don’t have to even look up denylist in the dictionary once. Sure you do, and it's not there. It's not clear what a denylist is, nor what a blocklist is. Words have meaning.

huytersd 3y ago
Why is it dumb?
- Always_Anon 3y ago
  Same reason why the attempt to change the name French fries to "freedom fries" was dumb.
  - huytersd 3y ago
    What are freedom fries? I’ve never heard of it so I assume no one picked it up. Pretty much every software company has changed master though.
    - Always_Anon 3y ago
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      - huytersd 3y ago
        Is freedom fries a logical name? I prefer when naming is logical and self contained. Not some inside knowledge bullshit that needs to be taught to each new person that learns the language. Yeah they have bud. Find one large tech corp that still uses master.
        Always_Anon 3y ago
        >Find one large tech corp that still uses master. https://github.com/airbnb/javascript https://github.com/airbnb/javascript https://github.com/microsoft/vcpkg https://github.com/microsoft/vcpkg https://github.com/PowerShell/PowerShell https://github.com/PowerShell/PowerShell https://github.com/golang/go https://github.com/golang/go https://github.com/Netflix/zuul https://github.com/Netflix/zuul
        huytersd 3y ago
        I know for a fact the guidelines at Microsoft and Netflix are to stop using master. There isn’t a huge push to go back and retroactively change old codebases.
        Always_Anon 3y ago
        To quote: "Find one large tech corp that still uses master." I found several, you were wrong, take the L. QED.
      - dang 3y ago
        Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? I don't want to have to ban you again, but you've unfortunately been doing this repeatedly. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.